Petraeus Successes in Iraq Come Too Late?

[Canuck_Buck]

Anyone else watching the Live testimony?

[Fieldmouse]

ORIGINAL: Canuck_Buck

Anyone else watching the Live testimony?

I have it on but muted. Why would you care anyway canuck. You don't have a dog in this fight.

[Canuck_Buck]

why have it on but muted ? Fear ? Reading spanish subtitles? hehehe

The general had alot to say and I think he's the best shot America has presented itself over there.

I care because events in the middle east concern me, concern all of us. What is going on in Iraq is America's doing is it not ?

The general talked about Al Qaeda Iraq, sectarian violence and external disturbances from Iran. All three and maybe more problems exist there an may never completely go away.

Some say it is an ideological struggle that affects mankind, GW does.

Flaws and all, our western society is not perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than what they have over there now.

Our dawgs are over in the Afghanistan fight and we don't need hundreds of thousands to do it....apparently our guys can shoot...

Some say ( canucks and americans )that Americans always do stupid things without thinking ahead first, complain about not winning and then whine about and not learn from failures. But that premise could apply to any country really, the list could go on on bad points from up here as well but it that really serving any good?

I do not saysuch things and disagree withpeople who do say those things. Americans are not stupid people, neither are canucks yet both our countries elect morons at one time or another, I believe Americans will elect a democratic moron in a knee jerk reaction to missing GW brilliance once he leaves office...

I think most americans have the capacity to find the good and positives in anything because they learned it from canucks.....

If any country attacks Canada or America count me in...but does anyone think that will happen in our lifetimes now that GW has taken the fight to them before so ?

I care, Fieldmouse, because I fear some Americans think they bit off more than they can chew in Iraq, when the exact opposite is true. Iraq is smack dab in the middle of the arm pit of the world and sure it stinks but nothing a good roll-on couldn't cure !

The Democrats are more dangerous to america than any enemy now.

This General has his s--t together and GW was right to send in more troops to do the job.

The dynamic in Iraq is now exposed and things can now be corrected, can they not ? Progress is being made, is it not ?

Now where the heck is that Bin Laden fellow, eh?

[bawanajim]

ORIGINAL: Canuck_Buck

why have it on but muted ? Fear ? Reading spanish subtitles? hehehe

The general had alot to say and I think he's the best shot America has presented itself over there.

I care because events in the middle east concern me, concern all of us. What is going on in Iraq is America's doing is it not ?

The general talked about Al Qaeda Iraq, sectarian violence and external disturbances from Iran. All three and maybe more problems exist there an may never completely go away.

Some say it is an ideological struggle that affects mankind, GW does.

Flaws and all, our western society is not perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than what they have over there now.

Our dawgs are over in the Afghanistan fight and we don't need hundreds of thousands to do it....apparently our guys can shoot...

Some say ( canucks and americans )that Americans always do stupid things without thinking ahead first, complain about not winning and then whine about and not learn from failures. But that premise could apply to any country really, the list could go on on bad points from up here as well but it that really serving any good?

I do not saysuch things and disagree withpeople who do say those things. Americans are not stupid people, neither are canucks yet both our countries elect morons at one time or another, I believe Americans will elect a democratic moron in a knee jerk reaction to missing GW brilliance once he leaves office...

I think most americans have the capacity to find the good and positives in anything because they learned it from canucks.....

If any country attacks Canada or America count me in...but does anyone think that will happen in our lifetimes now that GW has taken the fight to them before so ?

I care, Fieldmouse, because I fear some Americans think they bit off more than they can chew in Iraq, when the exact opposite is true. Iraq is smack dab in the middle of the arm pit of the world and sure it stinks but nothing a good roll-on couldn't cure !

The Democrats are more dangerous to america than any enemy now.

This General has his s--t together and GW was right to send in more troops to do the job.

The dynamic in Iraq is now exposed and things can now be corrected, can they not ? Progress is being made, is it not ?

Now where the heck is that Bin Laden fellow, eh?

I really wish you would not try to inject common sense into this debacle.

Bush's biggest weakness is his inability to see cause and effect in what he does, I do not see it as second guessing when it becomes obvious that your chosen plan does not achieve planned results.
I see it as being pig headed. It took way to long to fire " Rummy " now time is running out and Americans fail to see progress in a land that many feel isn't worth fighting over.
There is no honorable way out without total domination & destruction in Iraq , but I don't feel we as Americans have the stomach for it. []

And I do feel the two thousand pound laser guided bomb has led to a small lax shooting skills by America's soldiers.

[Canuck_Buck]

Petraeus: Iraqi leaders want sovereignty, U.S. troop presence

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Tuesday that though Iraqi leaders "want to assume greater sovereignty" over their war-ravaged nation, they desire a U.S. troop presence to help establish and maintain security in 2008.

He also noted that there have been improvements in sectarian relations in the Iraqi capital, but not to the point that the different factions can completely commingle. Outside the ethnically and religiously mixed enclaves of southeastern Baghdad it is "still hazardous" for a Sunni to travel into Shiite neighborhoods, Petraeus said. (Posted 10:46 a.m.)

[Phil from Maine]

Petraeus also stated that he didn't know ifthe U.S.will be made safer because of the war in Iraq! We have young soldiers being killed for what? I it doesn't help to make the U.S. safer then what and the heck are we doing over there? I raq never threatened us or attack us if I remember correctly and never had those weapons of mass destruction either. So what exactly are we doing over there? A time frame to start bringing the soldiers home is inorder. I can remember when we tried to let the people of Iraq over throw Saddam once and we had no troops in there. So now that we took him out they need us to help whom?

[Fieldmouse]

ORIGINAL: Phil from Maine

Petraeus also stated that he didn't know ifthe U.S.will be made safer because of the war in Iraq! We have young soldiers being killed for what? I it doesn't help to make the U.S. safer then what and the heck are we doing over there? I raq never threatened us or attack us if I remember correctly and never had those weapons of mass destruction either. So what exactly are we doing over there? A time frame to start bringing the soldiers home is inorder. I can remember when we tried to let the people of Iraq over throw Saddam once and we had no troops in there. So now that we took him out they need us to help whom?

Al Qaeda failure in Irag would be huge and we are succeeding in making that happen at the sametime keeping Iran out. I will also remind you, Afghanistan never attacked us but Iraq did repeatedly.

[Phil from Maine]

The Taliban supported Bin Laden and Bin Laden's croneys did attack us, so in some ways yes, Afghanistan did attack us.

Al Qaeda failure in Irag would be huge and we are succeeding in making that happen

i do not believe they have stopped Al Qeada but drew more interests to it. They appear to pick new leaders rather quickly.

but Iraq did repeatedly

Shooting at war planes flying over their land?

[vc1111]

I thought there should be cleared and measured progress if we were only patient enough to allow the "surge" to run its course?

Don't get confused. I want progress. I just have no faith in bringing democracy to a people that eat their young.

[Fieldmouse]

i do not believe they have stopped Al Qeada but drew more interests to it. They appear to pick new leaders rather quickly.

Yes they do just like any other org. I bet you $100 dollars that posistion will be vacated early by death or capture. On the other hand, it's been reported they do offer good health insurance and paid vacation if you live long enough. I wonder if they are unionized?

Shooting at war planes flying over their land?

Yes after the surrender agreement was in place and let's not forget attempted assasination of a former President of the USA, open support of terrorism which you fault Afghanistan for which you justjustified us attacking them. The very group with all those marines how were killed in Lebenon. Shall we add the other Americansto the list they killed in the Middleast?