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Old 08-27-2007, 01:26 PM   #1
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Default So much for the First Amendment...

So you can poke fun at recently deceased Jerry Falwell with impunity one week but not radical islamists the next?

Shame on you, Opus!!

The offending strip

What the hell is this country coming to? [:@]
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:17 PM   #2
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[:@]We are bending over backwards, just so we dont piss of a muslim. The whole time, they are bracing themselves for when our ares comes around, they can stick it to us.

Im so sick of this crap. I say F them all. Im sick of the whole mess. Ive never considered myself prejudice, but I guess im working real hard towards becomeing prejudice towards ragheads.[:@]
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:56 PM   #3
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Hypocrisy abounds.

This whole thing is just unbelievable. I don't have a problem with the Post alerting the papers that buy the sindicated cartoon that some might find it objectionable. But as for the Post not running it in their home newspaper itself is just silly. They run plenty of things more objectionable than this, although this IS the comics, which kids read. Butany kid mature enough to get the sexual innuendo is old enough to read it, IMO.

Another aspect of this that is just frothing with hypocrisy is Fox's stand on the Fairness Doctrine. Fox edits its content to suit its conservative audience every day and is vehemently opposed to the Fairness Doctrine, which would force broadcast media to run opposing views to news pieces, if requested by those holding those views. So Fox's outrage is a more than a little disingenuous.

I love Berkely Breathed's comics; he makes fun of everyone. Although I bet he can be a pain the nether regions. Quick story of how he pretty much got run out of Austin, TX:

He made a bet with a friend that he could manipulate the populace of Austin while he was a reporter for a local paper. Then he ran a story (completely fictitious) about how someone had hatched a bunch of alligators and let them loose in one of the local lakes (can't remember which one), complete with faked pictures. Lakeside property values dropped like a rock. He came clean almost immediately about the hoax, but he wasn't very welcome around Austin at that point and left soon after.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:58 PM   #4
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Oh, one additional point: The First Ammendment doesn't guarantee that everyone can get published. It just gurantees that the government won't PREVENT things from being published/said.
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Old 08-28-2007, 04:36 AM   #5
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My point was that what good is your First Amendment right if some tightass is going to censor you? It's a comic strip, FCS, not an op-ed column. It's funny and topical, not a direct stab at anyone. As was pointed out earlier the Post has run much more controversial stuff as page one news, which they have vigorously defended as their First Amendment right more than once, but now the hypocritical bastards want to censor a comic strip? If I were Mr. Breathed I'd pull my strip as soon as it's contract was done and go elsewhere. And BTW, screw the damned islamist jagoffs if they can't take a damned joke! No other culture on earth riots and kills it's own because some cartoonist drew a picture, maybe they need to stay in the stone age where they belong if something that small offends them.
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Old 08-28-2007, 05:38 AM   #6
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Another aspect of this that is just frothing with hypocrisy is Fox's stand on the Fairness Doctrine. Fox edits its content to suit its conservative audience every day and is vehemently opposed to the Fairness Doctrine, which would force broadcast media to run opposing views to news pieces, if requested by those holding those views. So Fox's outrage is a more than a little disingenuous.
Try again mountainhunter, the fairness doctrine doesn't cover cable news or network news. It is only directed at the radio stations. I would like to hear you way in on the liberal bias of CNN and MSNBC. Every independentstudy I have ever seen publish has Fox down the center and everyone else to the left.

As far as the radio goes, why is the fairness doctrine needed? The libs have their bought and paid for Air America. There are way too many sources out there for information so why would that doctrine even be needed unless it was designed to shut down talk radio?
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:42 AM   #7
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Actually, Fieldmouse, you're only half right and off-point.

The Fairness Doctrine does not cover cable news. It does cover all broadcast news, including broadcast TV news. The idea is that the broadcast spectrum is public domain and should not be politically biased. Just as the local city park shouldn't be available for only Dmeocrats or only republicans. Fox has broadcast channels. So it does potentially apply to to them.
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:46 AM   #8
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Kevin: Freedom of the presses is the guarantee to have the freedom to print what you want; not a guarantee that youare entitled toown a printing press or that those who own them will publish whatever you write.

But I agree. What the Post did was hypocritical, IMO. So was Faux News' coverage. Just as their coverage of the Wikipedia scandal was, when they reported on the alterations of Wikipedia entries but omitted the little fact that Fox News was one of the major offenders.
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:48 AM   #9
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Fairness doctrine is nothing but government over ride of free speech. If a private organization wants to put out only a left or right view, its their porogative. If it flys, great. If it doesnt, it tanks. Isnt that what free speech is all about. Besides, do you see NPR putting out any counter views. I dont. Besides, I feel Fox is one of the few that will give counter points. Dont ever see that with CNN or MSNBC.
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:59 AM   #10
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Well then Burnie, I don't think you watch MSNBC. Or at least you don't watch Tucker and Scarborough (a former Republican Congressman and part of the 1994 "Revolution"), who are both conservatives.

But, more importantly you missed both my point (the FD only applies to media broadcast over publicly owned airwaves, not cable TV and not the Internet) and Kevin's point. What good is free speech if no one hears it? All of the major news outlets, except NPR, are owned by major corporations. What's to keep them from publishing stories that only favor large corporations?
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