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Old 08-14-2007, 07:32 AM   #1
 
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Default Socialized Medicine - A must watch

What waiting list?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Rf42zNl9U
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Old 08-14-2007, 08:25 AM   #2
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Your saying we can't do something better then Canada?
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:01 AM   #3
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Charlie,
Have to take you on in a game of street hockey.
What everyone fails to noticed is that Canucks that want out of the Socialized Medical system can always head to the states. I think you call that choice, something the film denies we have.
I do not know any Canucks who call our system free. We all know we pay with our taxes and with monthly contributions. Mine is 54 dollars a month.
What is different is I cannot be dropped due to a pre-something condition or because my employer moves jobs over seas.
I know many Canadian cancer survivers. And sadly some that didn't.
I do not think statiskly you could say your chances for survival are better in the USA. I would welcome some data on this. It should be readably available if the US medical lobby hates Social medicine so much.
It a well know fact that deaths among newborns is much lower in Canada.
Perhaps an example of something your not doin better than the Canucks there Charlie.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:22 AM   #4
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To proove what? Maybe we should have a spelling contest instead.[8D]

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Sorry Guys,

I guess I didn't put enough happy faces in my post. I was smiling while writing it and not feelin offended.
I suppose my spelling could improve but my typing sucks. Blame it in my typing. Please keep in mind us Canuks use the same spelling as the Brits. You guys remember them................think they invented english.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:16 AM   #6
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Sorry Guys,

I guess I didn't put enough happy faces in my post. I was smiling while writing it and not feelin offended.
I suppose my spelling could improve but my typing sucks. Blame it in my typing. Please keep in mind us Canuks use the same spelling as the Brits. You guys remember them................think they invented english.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:13 PM   #7
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Hogwash.


In the United States, if the same person had no health care, it would have been much better...

He would never have gotten an MRI and would have never known that he had a brain tumor...He would have tolerated the headaches or at the very least would have hesitated to visit a doctor to even get so much as a recommendation for an MRI, because it would have been entirely out of pocket.

Instead, he would have died quietly in his sleep. There. That's better, eh?

Apples and oranges comparison in the video...a comparison of a supposedly lesser system of health care to a system where a large percentage of Americans have NONE...and whatever health care the uninsured or underinsured can beg, borrow, and steal, is funded by those that are paying into the system now. But as long as your "employer" is footing the bill for the uninsured in America, that type of twisted taxation is just peachy.

Where health care does exist in America, it is a for-profit business, not a "service." Duplication of services exists on a regional basis in America versus areas with poor or no services in very rural areas...not unlike the situation which may be in place in the video. Where does the patient normally live and/or work? How many MRI providers are available in what may be one of the more remote areas of that huge nation with large, sparsely populated regions.

If someone tells you a story, replete with video and sound, you still need to use your brain. (Pun intended). This very forum has had first-hand evidence which contradicts the video. We've had many of our Canadian brothers attest to the fact that they experience no meaningful problems as to access to medical services on a timely basis. The response of the this board: no comment.

So what do you have? A "youtube video" hosted and posted on that website by whom? What is their motiviation? To reveal what is supposedly a deep, dark secret which an entire nation is somehow keeping hidden from the rest of the world?

If there were truly a problem, truly widespread to the point where Canadians are dying from lack of timely services on critical health issues, you surely would NOT be hearing about it on something so reliable as a youtube video.

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He would never have gotten an MRI and would have never known that he had a brain tumor...He would have tolerated the headaches or at the very least would have hesitated to visit a doctor to even get so much as a recommendation for an MRI, because it would have been entirely out of pocket.
Thats wrong. I happen to know of a person who is 42 and got an MRI without insurance and an operation to remove a tumor. I know this because I helped out that person cover some bills while they were recovering from the operation.

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We've had many of our Canadian brothers attest to the fact that they experience no meaningful problems as to access to medical services on a timely basis. The response of the this board: no comment.
Yes and those very meaningful people you speak about, I wonder how much serious healthcare they have needed so far in life? I love it how you just absolutely ignore the studies revealing the wait times and the storie of Canadians comming to America for fast medical treatment.
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I love it how you just absolutely ignore the studies revealing the wait times and the storie of Canadians comming to America for fast medical treatment.





Studies? A youtube video is a study? Lol, brilliant stuff as usual, Fieldmouse.

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Thats wrong. I happen to know of a person who is 42 and got an MRI without insurance and an operation to remove a tumor. I know this because I helped out that person cover some bills while they were recovering from the operation.

Millions of Americans fail to even seek appropriate healthcare because they are either uninsured or underinsured. That is a FACT, despite your anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Good for you for helping a friend in need, by the way. Too bad though, that in America, one of the richest nations in recorded history, one must still rely on the charity of others for healthcare. Canadians don't seem to have that problem or the one outlined in my previous paragraph.
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I just got an e-mail from my boss who said his wife is doing fine after her surgery. He has been away part time since his wife was feeling ill. This started on the weekend of July 7-8. Since then she has seen the DR. Had tests done and now had surgery in Vancouver. This has taken a total of less than 5 weeks. My Boss was able to take time off work and the one thing he didn't worry about was how to pay for all this.
I'm sure her road to full recover will have a few bumps in it yet, but the prognosis is sounding very good. By the way.
She was dyignosed with ovarian cancer.
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