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Old 08-11-2007, 04:20 PM   #1
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501. Surveillance without warrant (8/8/07)


The honorable
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Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator

I'm writing you to oppose the newly passed law (Passed in Senate on Aug. 3, signed by Bush on Aug. 5) which gives government expanded surveillance authority without court approval.
I urge you to re-consider the law because of the following reason:


1. It is a violence of the Constitution and an offense on citizen's civil right. It especially damaged the Fourth Amendment - protecting people from unreasonable search and arrest.

It's easy for coruptive police to manipulate a "terrorist suspect" to e-mail, or dialogue in an internet forum, to frame innocent people. (In Miame terror cell case of 2006, a FBI informant had instructed the cell member to attack FBI office ).

2. There is no reason to say old FISA rule doesn't work. Under which the government can do eavesdropping any time when it requires. Even if it's in emergence, they can wiretap first and submit an application to court later. Nothing hinder their surveillance work.

A surveillance without warrant means a blank check to the secret police. It opens the door to a fascist country.

3. Surveillance not only means eavesdropping, it also means harassment. FBI, DEA are notorious for abusing power. They harass, plant and frame case. There is lack of a surveillance on these so said "law enforcement". The new law gives them further more room for abusing power. It is an attack on the principle of Check and Balance.

4. A negative side of this law from my personal experience. I posted a lot in internet web forum. I used to reveal the dark side of the government, especially about the law enforcement. I suffered continuous harassment from the Feds cyberspace team. Recently I was blocked from three web sites. (two of them are media's web site)

(1) On Aug. 1, blocked to enter "http://p067.ezboard.com/fdenverpostnewsfrm9 " by technical problem.

(2) On Aug. 4, banned to enter "http://forum.signonsandiego.com/upload/index.php?"

(3) On Aug. 5, banned to enter "http://forums.shoutwire.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=7"


Since my posting were all of political opinion, there was no reason to ban me accessing the site. The ban is so thorough that I couldn't complain nor read. I allege it was from surveillance team not from the web site. I think it was done when Feds (FBI, DEA) has been inspired and encouraged by the would passing new surveillance law.

In conclusion, I urge you to re-consider the new intelligence surveillance law, at least do some amendment to limit the unrestricted power of law enforcement. I also urge you to investigate the abusing in internet communication caused by the Feds (FBI, DEA). (see below)


Sincerely

Kat Hak Sung
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:15 PM   #2
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You've made a big mistake, Kat.

You'll be detained at the next toll booth.

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Old 08-12-2007, 06:05 AM   #3
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They just keep circling...I wonder why?


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Old 08-21-2007, 02:34 PM   #4
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502. Warrantless surveillance and August plot (8/13/07)


I think the new law that allowed warrantless surveillance target on me.
In early May, 2002, I wrote "
65. Birthday Party on May 3 (5/10)" revealed Feds had a plot on May 3 that year. In later May, two people in my lane - one was my tenant, the other was the landlady of a house, suddenly moved away at same time. They both came from China. (There are four house units in the lane. Feds put two Chinese secret agents in two units) Then in August, news reported that former A.G. Ashcroft was rebuked by FISA judges for cheating in May. I then knew I was under the surveillance of FISA warrant. I started to realize how important the Fourth Amendment is to innocent people. It protects them from unreasonable search and arrest from corrupt agents. (see "86. FISA Secret Court ruling")


Still continuously I am under surveillance, legally or illegally. Feds must have created a lot of justification to renew the warranty. This time, after the big attempt in April, (marked with Virginia Tech massacre) they may exhaust their cheating tactics. Feds, with the help of its resource in legislative, passed a law to do surveillance without the monitor of the court.

Be mind that law is not only effect on a small number people who related to terrorist. Most Americans have computers and surf the internet. Feds have plenty resource of controlled "terrorists". Or anytime they can get help from collaboration of foreign secret police to frame a case. That means, almost every Americans faces unreasonable search and arrest if Feds wanted. (by a message from "terrorist" to your e-mail or web-site you go) They give themselves an unrestricted power.

It is not only an eavesdropping or wiretapping. It also means surveillance which can lead to unreasonable search and arrest. Do you know what surveillance is? To my experience, it also come with harassment and persecution - radiation of unknown EM wave ray; poisoned food; provocation between family members..... various trap to a framed case.
"Enemy combatants" in Guantanamo are ripped the right to access for legal help. They could be jailed all their life. The new warrantless law does the same thing actually. Every Americans is ripped off the protect of Fourth Amendment. You could be under surveillance any time the Feds wanted without any protect of the law.

I e-mailed a petition to California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein on 8/8. No confirmation e-mail received so far. An e-mail to Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren was rejected as not deliverable. But a reaction from Feds was very swift. Next day on 8/9, my wife said she would have a trip to Peru between 8/16 to 8/22. My brother and one of my sister will go with her. If you still remember, in mid April my wife has just taken a sudden trip too (the plot marked with VT shooting case)
On same day, (8/9) the neighborhood landlord had a yard work team come. He said he would have his yard re-modeled, including repair the fence between us. The work will last till the end of the month.

One of murder tactic of Feds is travel accident. Each big plot always came with this program. So they prepare again the death for part of my family members. As for me, you can expect that yard work team is a specially trained team. And you know what special skill they have had. The plot time should be between 8/16 to 8/22. For the rest of my family member, there is other traps waiting for them.
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:06 AM   #5
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:26 AM   #6
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Hey, kat... Have you been forgetting to take your medication?
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Old 08-22-2007, 02:58 PM   #7
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ORIGINAL: kathaksung

One of murder tactic of Feds is travel accident. Each big plot always came with this program. So they prepare again the death for part of my family members. As for me, you can expect that yard work team is a specially trained team. And you know what special skill they have had. The plot time should be between 8/16 to 8/22. For the rest of my family member, there is other traps waiting for them.
Just be careful Kat. I hope you and the family have made it this far. The good news is that today is almost over and tomorrow is the 23rd. If it were me, I would gather allmy family closeby and sit armed in the corner of the room.
Just a few more hours and it should be over with.

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Old 08-22-2007, 05:26 PM   #8
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Dang Kat, for the first three points I was even in agreement with you, unfortunately youre momentary clarity lapsed back into your schizo/paranoid/delusional/ state of mind before the letter was completed.

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4. A negative side of this law from my personal experience. I posted a lot in internet web forum. I used to reveal the dark side of the government, especially about the law enforcement. I suffered continuous harassment from the Feds cyberspace team. Recently I was blocked from three web sites. (two of them are media's web site)

(1) On Aug. 1, blocked to enter "http://p067.ezboard.com/fdenverpostnewsfrm9 " by technical problem.

(2) On Aug. 4, banned to enter "http://forum.signonsandiego.com/upload/index.php?"

(3) On Aug. 5, banned to enter "http://forums.shoutwire.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=7"


Since my posting were all of political opinion, there was no reason to ban me accessing the site. The ban is so thorough that I couldn't complain nor read. I allege it was from surveillance team not from the web site. I think it was done when Feds (FBI, DEA) has been inspired and encouraged by the would passing new surveillance law.

In conclusion, I urge you to re-consider the new intelligence surveillance law, at least do some amendment to limit the unrestricted power of law enforcement. I also urge you to investigate the abusing in internet communication caused by the Feds (FBI, DEA). (see below)
Might be possible you were banned because your a nutcase, might even be possible you were so thoroughly banned because they really didnt want you back in there.Your paranoid ramblings to US senators will probably actually strengthen thier case for warrantless survielence, or at the very least fullfill your long sought after dream of having the FBI beating on your door
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:17 PM   #9
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or at the very least fullfill your long sought after dream of having the FBI beating on your door
Yoooo, hey, hoooooo!

That's going to leave a mark.[8D]
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:00 PM   #10
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Surveillance without warrant. ???????



I believe that is what we use to call it when we use topeep onthe hot teenage neighbor suntaning next door when we were kids.
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