I am curious how many on here thinkwe are fighting for our freedoms in this war? And what freedoms are we fighting for if you answered yes to? I am really curious about the replies. What freedoms are we fighting for that we didn't have before this war? I hear this all the time. We are fighting for our freedoms. How?
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I still think it is really all about the oil. If it were as simple as freedom we would have fought to win. I believe we are just in Iraq because the administration needed to keep status quo in the Middle east. They couldn't let Islamic Fundamentalists convert more of the territory by means of military control. The balance of the Middle East is tenuous at best and it is a mix of countries who hate us and others who tolerate us and we consider as allies. If there were no oil we wouldn't be in the middle of the civil war and wouldn't have liberated Kuwait in the early 90's. We chose Iraq because it was soft and the analysts knew we would be able to have a successful invasion and topple the existing regime. We got what we wanted a democratic government, at least for now. The balance swung a bit towards something the West can live with and the future of our oil is better than if Saddam was still there. I look at it simply as a big chess match where power and positioning is key to keeping the oil coming to the West. Can you imagine the problems that we would have if one by one all the Middle East countries came under rule from people who were not sympathetic to the West? We are losing allies in South America where we do still import oil from so the same thing is happening there. Positioning for the oil is the reason why we went to Iraq and Bush refuses to leave. WMD were just the excuse. We would have chosen Iran but our fight would have taken more of a US toll and I feel they were closer to acquiring nukes. If either country had nukes they would have used them on anyone who invaded them. Iraq was a safer bet. If my scenario is true and someday the whole story will surface then Bush would then be a hero rather than a goat.
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What freedoms are we fighting for that we didn't have before this war? I hear this all the time. We are fighting for our freedoms. How?
That's an easy one. We're not fighting to gain freedoms. We're fighting to maintain our freedoms.
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Champlain, to come to those conclusions is to ignore the whole reason we went to war in Iraq. You have to turn a blind eye to all of the reasons we went there and WMD one only one of the reasons. For South America, it Chavez your talking about and I feel real bad for his people. He is going to ruin that country the same way Castro has ruined Cuba.
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You have to turn a blind eye to all of the reasons we went there and WMD one only one of the reasons. For South America, it Chavez your talking about and I feel real bad for his people. He is going to ruin that country the same way Castro has ruined Cuba.
Are you saying we went to war to be a police officer of countries that do not belong to us? Tell us about all your reasons? I do not think it was so much as for oil either.. However I do think that it was more about the natural gas though...
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And what are those reasons again mouse? Ties to 9/11, WMD, sponsors of AQ? Champlain, to come to those conclusions is to ignore the whole reason we went to war in Iraq.
You don't make any sense when you say my theory is wrong and that you have to turn a blind eye on WMD etc. When the pitch for war was made to our Congress it was done with all of the above and more to substantiate invading another country. Times have proven that most if not all of the Congressional reasons were not valid. We went in there based on bad Intel or falsified Intel. Only time will prove which one it was. The present administration wanted to take care of the problems over there and they did so. The follow up has been bungled but the invasion was certainly a masterpiece of military might. I truly believe there is far more to the story thus my theory. It had to be more than false Intel based on Iraq falling in with OBL and his merry bunch. I think the Bush people aren't being honest with their whole Iraqi strategy. I have a hard time believing we could have been so wrong. I believe what Bush and Co is guilty of, is not telling the real story and their reasons are probably classified. I don't necessarily feel that what he did was a detriment to the country. The reasons for war were probably there but they weren't about WMD. If they found them then that would have only been a bonus. I feel our national security revolves around energy and still believe that was the real reason for going there. To be shut out of the Middle East oil imports would be catastrophic for our future. One theory however, it's mine and I'm sticking to it.
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I agree with you C.I. that the reason is far more reaching than what any of them wants us to know about, that is for sure. However what I have seen going on here with a natural gass pipeline that was put in from Sable Island all the way into Mass. because of a big demand there. Currently 2 natural gas terminals are being fought for here as well and another pipeline planning on being installed from Sable Island as well all going into Mass. again. The demand for natural gas is very high in our cities and growing higher constantly. I find it hard to believe that this wouldn't fit into this mess. If everything goes as planned here there will be 3 natural gas pipelines going into Mass. through here in the next few years. The first of these had started coming through after 9/11 ! In Afgahnastan we have 3 bases along the worlds largest natural gas pipelines that supplies all of Europe with natural gas another base close to it. In Iraq we have more protection on the natural gas pipelines as well. To me it appears our biggest reason is to keep a steady supply of natural gas running into our cities as well as other cities around theworld as the demand for it is steadily climbing very rapidly...
I agree with you C.I. that the reason is far more reaching than what any of them wants us to know about, that is for sure. However what I have seen going on here with a natural gass pipeline that was put in from Sable IslandĀ* all the way into Mass. because of a big demand there. Currently 2 natural gas terminals are being fought for here as well and another pipeline planning on being installed from Sable Island as well all going into Mass. again. The demand for natural gas is very high in our cities and growing higher constantly. I find it hard to believe that this wouldn't fit into this mess. If everything goes as planned here there will be 3 natural gas pipelines going into Mass. through here in the next few years. The first of these had started coming through after 9/11 ! In Afgahnastan we have 3 bases along the worlds largest natural gas pipelines that supplies all of Europe with natural gas another base close to it. In Iraq we have more protection on the natural gas pipelines as well. To me it appears our biggest reason is to keep a steady supply of natural gas running into our cities as well as other cities around theĀ*world as the demand for it is steadily climbing very rapidly...
So, since a gas pipeline was installed from a tiny Canadian island to Massachussetts, whirley dirley, we're involved in the Middle East to ensure continued natural gas supply to the U.S.
No offense, Phil, but that doesn't even come close to holding water. Do you know how much natural gas we get from Iraq or Afghanistan? How about none. As for the potential for gas from those nations, our domestic gas reserves are larger than Iraq's, and Afghanistan's reserves are very minimal; they aren't even in the top 20 among the world's nations for gas reserves. 98% of the natural gas imported by the U.S. comes from Canada (makes that pipeline make more sense, doesn't it?). To much smaller extents, we import gas from Algeria, Mexico, Australia and the United Arab Emirates.
If natural gas were the reason for our military involvement in the Middle East, we would've probably invaded Iran by now, since they have one of the world's largest proven reserves of natural gas, second only to Russia.
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No offense, Phil, but that doesn't even come close to holding water. Do you know how much natural gas we get from Iraq or Afghanistan?
Do your history my friend,,, one of the largest natural gas pipelines in the world travels from Russia straight through Afghanistan..
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So, since a gas pipeline was installed from a tiny Canadian island to Massachussetts, whirley dirley, we're involved in the Middle East to ensure continued natural gas supply to the U.S.
Granted this is small potatoes but the overal picture is far bigger. The cost alone for this so called tiny pipeline is enbelievable when you concider the environmental issues up here. The pumping station has been expanded and now a new pipeline as well will be coming in through from there. By the way Sable Island is one of the biggest natural gas pumping staions on the atlantic seaboard. Pumping most of it from an one of the largest underwater natural gasreserves on the eastern shores as well.
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To much smaller extents, we import gas from Algeria, Mexico, Australia and the United Arab Emirates.
Be perpared to see an increase because it is on it's way..
What freedoms are we fighting for that we didn't have before this war? I hear this all the time. We are fighting for our freedoms. How?
That's an easy one. We're not fighting to gain freedoms. We're fighting to maintain our freedoms.
HUH?? How was they able to take any away from us in the first place? Was we going to get invaded by these countries and fall under their control ? Please enlighten me on what you mean? How could they of had an affect on our freedoms? I see they have taken some freedomsaway from us, but we didn't maintain them by this war.
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