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Old 07-18-2007, 09:24 AM   #1
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So, what do y'all think. Change in philosophy? Or simply pandering for votes?

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On a swing through conservative western Iowa, Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani pledged to appoint judges who would strictly interpret the Constitution on gun rights and other issues.

His promise is aimed at reassuring conservatives nervous about his more liberal stands on gun control, abortion and other issues. As an example, he lauded a federal court ruling that overturned a 30-year-old ban on private ownership of handguns in Washington, D.C.

"The Second Amendment says people have a right to keep and bear arms. Judges interpret the Constitution; they should not be allowed to make it up," Giuliani told an audience of about 100 people Wednesday morning at Woodrow Wilson Junior High School in Council Bluffs.

He said he would appoint judges like Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, two President Bush appointees who were embraced by conservatives for their views on abortion and other issues.

Giuliani mentioned former President Reagan more than half a dozen times, reminding the crowd about how he served as a senior Justice Department official during the Reagan administration.

"He did a very, very good job of, much more often than not, selecting really good judges who would interpret the Constitution in a way that will protect your rights and my rights," he said. "They're there to interpret things, not to change things. You have legislators to change things."
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Giuliani's philosophy is to pander for votes .
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:35 AM   #3
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I don't see any reason to vote for any of the front runners at this point.

If Rudy is the G.O.P. candidate I'm not voting.........[:'(]
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:46 AM   #4
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I don't see any reason to vote for any of the front runners at this point.

If Rudy is the G.O.P. candidate I'm not voting.........[:'(]
That's a good idea and let a Democrate who you know isn't for gun rights in.

Rudy has always said this in everything I've seen. Don't take my statement as an endorsment for rudy.
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:49 AM   #5
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Giuliani's philosophy is to pander for votes .
Yeah, that's pretty true of most politicians. But, even if the statement regarding 2nd Amendment rights is pandering, I'm curious about his endorsement of Supreme Court candidates like Roberts and Alito. I suspect that the next President is going to get to appoint several, and having someone like Hillary, or Obama, or Biden appointing justices scares me more from a 2nd Amendment perspective than having a President who is an anti, because, ultimately, it's the Supremes who decide Constitutional issues, not the President or the Congress.
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:51 AM   #6
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Rudy has always said this in everything I've seen.
A problem with Rudy is that he has a poor 2nd Amendment track record from his tenures in NYC offices. Anyone can "say" stuff. But, he's got a poor record of "doing" stuff...
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:58 AM   #7
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Pandering for votes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhe38wJ86Do

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March 20, 2007

More on Giuliani on Gun Control
GOA's John Velleco provides a history of Rudy's gun control fetish:
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In 1993, Giuliani met with then-President Clinton to discuss national gun registration and supported the Brady bill, which had recently passed, but Rudy argued that it didn"t go far enough. Clinton, largely crediting Giuliani for the idea, enthusiastically sent Atty. Gen. Janet Reno off to develop a gun-licensing and registration system.

In May 1994, as the battle over the ban on certain semi-automatic firearms reached its height, Giuliani threw his support behind the ban. On the eve of the final vote, he noted that so-called assault weapons "have no legitimate purpose." When the ban passed, Giuliani commented that "this is an important step toward curtailing the indiscriminate proliferation of guns across the nation."

When a lunatic attacked innocent civilians at the Empire State Building in 1997, Giuliani used the tragedy to again push for gun control beyond his city"s limits: "We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun, you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions"and really stronger ones"that exist for driving an automobile. ... Congress needs to pass uniform licensing for everyone carrying a gun."

When Rudy did focus on city gun laws, which already were among the most stringent in the country, his effort was only to further disarm the law-abiding.

In 1998, Giuliani pushed a proposal that would require gun owners to use "trigger locks" on all firearms, thus rendering the guns useless in the event of an emergency. Such a law would be enforced, he said, through "criminal penalties and the revocation of gun permits."

If Giuliani had a federalist conversion, it did not occur in his first six years as mayor, for in 2000, he again took his gun-control show on the road.

In becoming the first GOP mayor to launch a city lawsuit against gun makers, Giuliani complained that "less restrictive gun laws in other parts of the country" exacerbated the crime problem in New York City.


[/blockquote]There's plenty more. Giuliani may claim he would let cities and states decide on their own gun laws and he might say that he doesn't support new national laws (including an AWB) but his record says otherwise.

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I don't see any reason to vote for any of the front runners at this point.

If Rudy is the G.O.P. candidate I'm not voting.........[:'(]
That's a good idea and let a Democrate who you know isn't for gun rights in.

Rudy has always said this in everything I've seen. Don't take my statement as an endorsment for rudy.
The last time I voted for the lesser of two evils we got Wya ,and every day sinceI get up read more of his stupidity and I throw up a little in my mouth. [:'(]
I'm not taking the blame for electing the least dumb from the dumbest list of candidates ever.
If neither party has the bahls to run a respectable candidate that Americans are proud to vote for I'm opting out.
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Rudy has always said this in everything I've seen.
A problem with Rudy is that he has a poor 2nd Amendment track record from his tenures in NYC offices. Anyone can "say" stuff. But, he's got a poor record of "doing" stuff...
No, I was talking about the judge comment. He has always said he's forjudges who believe in strict interpretations of the constitution.
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The last time I voted for the lesser of two evils we got Wya ,and every day sinceI get up read more of his stupidity and I throw up a little in my mouth. [:'(]
If Gore had won ... I'd be throwing up a lot ... And probably projectile style ala The Exorcist ...
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