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Old 05-31-2007, 12:11 PM   #1
 
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Default Earth nearing "Critical Tipping Point"

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Old 05-31-2007, 12:22 PM   #2
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All you need to read there is at the end in red. "NASA Chief not sure warming is a problem"

We're good guy's accordding to The God Al Gore we still have 9 more years give or take a day.

I personally can't wait. I'm going to have ocean front property and not have to move. What a deal. Can I get that in writing somewhere?
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:37 PM   #3
 
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Must be one helluva lotta ice in Antractica for it to be able to raise sea levels by 15 feet.
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:41 PM   #4
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When an ice cube melts in a soda, it doesn't raise the level of the soda! Think of that in the context of the iceberg, sea level debate.

Why can't the leftist, environmental idiots explain how the polar bears, and mankind survived much warmer temperatures in the past? Don't continue to stuff this BS down our throats without explaining some basic problems with the underlying theory of global warming! After you answer that question above, I have more. If they can't be answered, global warming can't be attributed to manmade activity.
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:25 PM   #5
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Melting ice will raise the level of liquid water in controlled settings. Having said that, global warming is indeed still a theory. And even if we could "stop" it, I'm not so sure it's ethically proper to do so. Sooner or later we're going to have to realize that the more we try to influence in the world, the more we manage to mess up while creating good elsewhere.

I don't think we can significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions. Probably couldn't get close to the target levels bureaucrats are so fond of. But even if we could, would that necessarily stop global warming, particularly when we consider that the planet has its own climactic cycle. When we speak of climactic ages, we're talking about spans of time that encompass hundreds of generations of people.

And on a related note, although we're not so great at absolutely mastering our environments, we have done very well at simply adapting to them. That is our great hope for the future.
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:31 PM   #6
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I think the top scientists agree the earth has warmed slightly over the past century on the whole. The enviro whackos want us to believe it is due to mankind, when the fact is 1) the earth has gone through cooling and warming cycles long before the first machine was built, and 2) most of the increase in temps occurred before the 1940s, in the infancy of human carbon emissions compared with today. As has been said, the earth then cooled between the 40's and 70's, which cannot be explained by the enviro's. That is not to mention the fact that carbon dioxide increases have FOLLOWED warming,which can't happen if CO2 CAUSES warming, and under the theory, the troposphere would be warmer than the surface of the earth, which isn't what is happening.
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good call doc,

The fact we are our own enemy is the bigger threat.
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Old 06-01-2007, 09:09 AM   #8
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I should probably change my forum name. I'm not a doc, just from Maryland.Others have read it the way you did, andI can see why.
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Old 06-01-2007, 08:00 PM   #9
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I thought that the head of NASA's statements are what many skeptics of the "global warming" hysteria have been saying as seemingly "voices in the wilderness" for some time. This is a highly respected man, one of many people now speaking up and challenging the catastrophists on their interpretation of what 1.5 F degree (estimated) increase over the past 150 years means or doesn't mean.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276722,00.html

Amonga number of his startlingly frank comments are those following:

"œTo assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had, and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change," Griffin said."

"œBut Griffin, who heads an agency with a $16.5 billion budget, wondered whether global warming was an issue that needed to be grappled with at all.
"First of all, I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown," he continued. "And second of all, I guess I would ask which human beings "” where and when "” are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."

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Old 06-01-2007, 08:30 PM   #10
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Here you go San Fran. This is your glorious leader in action:

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PELOSI: Just listen to the president's own NASA administrator, Dr. Michael Griffin, what he said yesterday, "I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists. I'm not sure that it's fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with." This is a very well educated scientist. Why would he say such a thing?
I peed my pants after hear her say that line.


Here is the scientist I think you all are talking about:

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GRIFFIN: I'm aware that global warming exists. I understand that the bulk of scientific evidence accumulated supports the claim that we've had about a one-degree centigrade rise in temperature over the last century to within an accuracy of about 20%. I'm also aware of recent findings that appear to have nailed down -- pretty well nailed down -- the conclusion that much of that is manmade. Whether that is a long-term concern or not, I can't say.
I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists. I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with. To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change. First of all, I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change.
And second of all, I guess I would ask, "Which human beings, where and when, are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now, is the best climate for all other human beings?" I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take.
Here is the other scientist I posted the other day:
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Dr. Roy Spencer, climatologist extraordinaire at the University of Alabama-Huntsville. He said, "Rush, you can't say that warming is manmade without knowing how much is natural," and get this. This is a professional climatologist, by trade. "We have no idea how much warming on earth is natural. If you don't know how much is natural, then you can't calculate how much is manmade," but remember, these people are not about facts. They're about creating an illustration. Almost writing a Bible, they are on this, to create religious beliefs, scripture on global warming. That's really where they're headed.

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