First, there are only vague references to closing our borders. It won't happen. The borders will remain porous and the Mexican invasion of the United States will continue. The count now is between 12 and 20 million. That doesn't include the six million that have been granted amnesty in previous "deals." Over the next few years we'll see millions more come .... they'll either try to get in on this amnesty deal or they'll wait around for the next one. And there will be a next one. Neither political party has the will to do something to stem the tide of this invasion.
The bill calls for criminal aliens to step forward to obtain something called a "Z" visa. (Would that be for Zorro?) They have to pay some fees and a $5000 fine. Ain't gonna happen. Liberals and illegal immigration proponents are going to scream asesinato sangriento about this fee. "These poor people can't afford to pay the fee. You're taking food out of the mouths of their children ... etc, etc." We won't collect enough in those fees to fuel one Humvee.
The bill also says that heads of household will have to return to their own countries before they can get the Zorro Visa. What's the point? They leave their wives and children here and go home .. then come back to get the visa? The only way this will work is if that visa is only issued in the country where that person has citizenship. No Zorro Visas issued in the US. We'll see what's in the bill.
We're also told that every new crop of "guest workers" will have to return home after stints of two years. Yeah? How are we going to make this happen? Are we going to place harsh punishment on anyone who pays them after they're supposed to have gone home? How about landlords who provide them a place to hide?
Come on ... let's get serious here.
President Bush says this bill would "treat people with respect." Respect? How about the respect they showed for our laws? They're criminals! They told our country to take it's law and empujelos donde el sol no brilla! (Look, my Spanish isn't perfect here .. I'm trying.) Now we're talking about treating criminals with respect? There are millions of people around the world who are trying to get into this country legally. They apply for visas. The fill out the paperwork. The answer the questions. The study our language. And they wait --- they wait until the legal process has run its course, then they come into this country and try to assimilate. These are the ones who are owed our respect, not the criminals who cross the border illegally, work here illegally, stay here illegally ... and often avoid paying taxes.
Amnesty? Hell yes it's amnesty! The dictionary defines amnesty as "forgetting or overlooking of any past offense" or "an act of forgiveness for past offenses." Any way you look at it this bill does just that.
The reaction to this bill? Well, many Democrats like John Edwards are not too pleased with the temporary guest worker program. Others like McCain were standing right by Ted Kennedy as he announced the plan. So far as I know, Mitt Romney is the only candidate to come out against the bill.
And the final kicker is that the legislation won't even be ready to be viewed by the great unwashed until after the Senate votes on it. That sounds like a great idea; let's vote on one of the largest changes in immigration reform without seeing it in writing. You do understand why it's happening this way, don't you? They want to ram it through before you really get a chance to see what they're doing. [:@]
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I read a little about it in this mornings paper. Ill admit, I did not read it in depth. At first glace, it looks a lot like what Regan did in the 80s. If things are similar to the Regan years, it will be a second round of amnesty with little done afterwards leading to yet another reform down the road.
You know what chaps my ares about all this. I had a good friend who was from Spain. He owned a aviation school, where he instructed single engine pilots. His work visa ran out not long after 911. He did the right thing and went to have it renewed. When he got there, they told him he had to leave the country in X number of days or be deported. No reason, other than the fact his visa ran out. He was no criminal, had been teaching pilots for over 15 years, paied his share of taxes, and always did things on the up and up. His sister was deported as well. She taught engineering at a university and was getting ready to start her own buisness. But now, if you have been here illegaly and want to stay, no problem.
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You only have corporate America and the elitists to thank for this problem in the first place. If the desire for cheap, exploitable and often expendable labor either for business or private use was not desired it would not currently be such as large problem. Have a good day.
Yes, Reagan did this. It was supposed to be only 1.5 million around I believe. It turned out to be over 6 million. It was said to never happen again. Now they are doing this again. They say it's 12 million but in reallity it's closer to 30 million who will get amnesty. Now these people who get amnesty can bring their families here. Look what is happening to America? We will become a 3rd world country. Where the hell is all this money going to come from to keep them here? Medical expense? The low paying jobs that they will take will not have medical coverage. Who will foot the bill for them? They are not going to pay 10k in taxes to make up for their medical expenses. I will have to say that I will become prejudiced against these people who come here illegally who can't speak our language and helps turn our country into a 3rd world country. We will be giving them 3 or 4 times as much money in free services that wethe tax payers pay in than they will make working here. What about diseases comming from them. Our country is in big trouble people and not a GD thing is being done by anyone. Complete amnesty. This scares the hel out of me and it should everyone.It's time for this country to start getting organized and citizens to start or join a militia. I am dead serious. Our country is going to be @#$%if we don't get organized real soon.
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One thing for sure we don't seem to learn from our mistakes. They need to control the border before they even consider granting amnesty to anyone. All this piece of junk legislation will succeed in doing is increase the rush to get in illegally. First step is to close the borders and second is to crack down hard on any business that hires an illegal. Many of these people are good honest hard working men and women all looking for a better life but one fact remains...they are all criminals by sneaking in over the border illegally. I for one don't want criminals here we have enough of our own. I doubt that this will ever pass as law. Too many people on both sides are shooting it full of holes. They rushed to pass something and put out a bad product. The border and all our ports must be closed to illegal entry and I consider that to be far more important than spending time, money and losing lives in Iraq.
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I do not get why the pres can not just declare that illegals from mexico "represent a clear and present danger to the United States" thus put up a big ole fence, and post sensors and roving gaurds, with other thing to follow. This is way out of hand. I can understand that most of the mexicans coming here are likely decent folk and just looking to make life better, but it still does not mean I will ever say it is ok for them to be here. I am sure the time it took me to type this, about 100 illegals crossed over.....[:@]
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Most of the 2000 mile southern border is baron undeveloped land allowing anyone who wants to hike across it to enter. I haven't been to the southern border but do have experience with the northern border. I live about 20 miles from theCanadian border and it is the same thing. There are actually dirt farm roads where you can drive from US to Canada and back. There are signs saying that if you pass this point you must drive around to the nearest crossing to report. There are sensors and cameras set up on the roads and the locals do call border patrol if they see someone new in the area. When deer hunting the vast forests along the border you go north and come to a 100 foot wide clear cut with signs every so often telling you that is the international border. There is nothing stopping someone from crossing that clear cut. Rumor has it that there are sensors that can differentiate between a deer, moose or human but non the less people still cross all the time andrarely have a problem. I feel the whole border north and south needs to be cleared for about a quarter mile and a fence placed right down the middle. Sensors and cameras need to be placed and border patrol needs adequate staffing to catch anyone who tries to scale or tunnel the fence. The sensor goes off and the agents look at the infra red camera to see what is going on then rush to the scene to apprehend the illegals. Satellite cameras could also be used to aid them. The way it is now anyone who wants to cross whether they are smugglers for drugs or illegals can do so quite easily just by walking across. Our lawmakers say a fence to protect our homelandis too expensive but are willing to spend our money all over the globe militarily in addition togiving aid to third world countries. Talk with a border patrol agent and they admit they catch only a small percentage of the smugglers. That 4 wheeler carrying drugs or illegals could also have explosives, or a black market tactical nuclear weapon destined for one of our major cities or sporting event. This issue needs to be fixed and the candidate that makes it his or her platform will get my vote.
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Here are some figures on the cost of illegal immigration.There is neartotal bi-partisan support for illegals in the US Congress. Donors to the Republican partywant cheap labor and the Democrats cannot wait to register all those illegals to vote illegally, for Democrats, of course.
Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country 20,807,645
Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006 $22,213,001,672.00
Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996 $397,450,739,563.00
Number of Children of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools 3,958,789
Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996: $13, 965,063,431.00
Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated 332,594
Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001 $1,398,127,429.00
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Here are some figures on the cost of illegal immigration.There is neartotal bi-partisan support for illegals in the US Congress. Donors to the Republican partywant cheap labor and the Democrats cannot wait to register all those illegals to vote illegally, for Democrats, of course.
Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country 20,807,645
Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006 $22,213,001,672.00
Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996 $397,450,739,563.00
Number of Children of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools 3,958,789
Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996: $13, 965,063,431.00
Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated 332,594
Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001 $1,398,127,429.00
Number of Illegal Aliens Fugitives 642,799
Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Aliens 9,872,838
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