Someone sent me this today. We are not far past 200. I don't know how accurate the data is I just thought it was interesting, maybe not.
How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 Years."
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage."
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamlin University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential Election:
Number of States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million.
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1.
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in Government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal"s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
Good post. I actually gave thought to this issue as few days ago and was going to pose it as a topic question, but forgot. I guessed us to be at the apathy going to dependency stage right before I scrolled down further. Nothing lasts forever. I think many Americans think that we/our ancestors invented democracy. Again good post.
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RE: Democracy=Longevity?
Ive read that before. It can and will come to pass, unless we become dynamic, which we have. P.C. is going to be a dynamic that will accelerate the problem, so we need to nick it in the butt. Not everyone can be happy all the time, and its time we realize that and let the system work. If not, this nails what will happen.
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I think the areas that vote for the Democratic Party are on step 7. The rest of the country (rural)are probably on step 6. I saw this awile ago, and it is very intriging. If this theory is true, then one has to reason that the Democratic Party is pushing us toward bondage. Our Government is already way too powerful...its kinda scary.
I think the areas that vote for the Democratic Party are on step 7. The rest of the country (rural)are probably on step 6. I saw this awile ago, and it is very intriging. If this theory is true, then one has to reason that the Democratic Party is pushing us toward bondage. Our Government is already way too powerful...its kinda scary.
Yep, no disgusing your right-hand bend. Responsibility for our nations current problems lay squarely on the shoulders of both dems and Repubilcans, not just one or the other.
I think the areas that vote for the Democratic Party are on step 7. The rest of the country (rural)are probably on step 6. I saw this awile ago, and it is very intriging. If this theory is true, then one has to reason that the Democratic Party is pushing us toward bondage. Our Government is already way too powerful...its kinda scary.
Yep, no disgusing your right-hand bend. Responsibility for our nations current problems lay squarely on the shoulders of both dems and Repubilcans, not just one or the other.
Oh, I think your right. Republicans are responsible for alot of problems today, but this isnot the issue of post. Democrats are the ones promising hand-outs to the citizenry and producing dependency among the poor instead of incentives for hard work and independence. Even you have to admit that. Even when Bush gave in and implemented socialist policies, it was still never enough according to the Left. How can you not see the corelation between this theory and what is happening today. In this next election you can vote yourself FREE HEALTHCARE, in this next election you can vote your offspring BETTER EDUCTION, vote your self BETTER ROADS, vote in more SOCIAL WELLFARE...etc..etc...etc. Who do you think pays for all of this, and what effect will it ultimately have on our country? I hope not what this prof said.
I think the areas that vote for the Democratic Party are on step 7. The rest of the country (rural)are probably on step 6. I saw this awile ago, and it is very intriging. If this theory is true, then one has to reason that the Democratic Party is pushing us toward bondage. Our Government is already way too powerful...its kinda scary.
Yep, no disgusing your right-hand bend. Responsibility for our nations current problems lay squarely on the shoulders of both dems and Repubilcans, not just one or the other.
Oh, I think your right. Republicans are responsible for alot of problems today, but this isnot the issue of post. Democrats are the ones promising hand-outs to the citizenry and producing dependency among the poor instead of incentives for hard work and independence. Even you have to admit that. Even when Bush gave in and implemented socialist policies, it was still never enough according to the Left. How can you not see the corelation between this theory and what is happening today. In this next election you can vote yourself FREE HEALTHCARE, in this next election you can vote your offspring BETTER EDUCTION, vote your self BETTER ROADS, vote in more SOCIAL WELLFARE...etc..etc...etc. Who do you think pays for all of this, and what effect will it ultimately have on our country? I hope not what this prof said.
I think it was relevant to the topic. I understand that you, along with many are frustrated with paying for welfare for others. I get that and can appreciate that. I also know who pays for welfare, the upper-lower and middle classes do. You and I both come from a dem state with very high taxes, so we both pay.
You crazy Neo-cons are actually funny with how you run with doom and despair and the worst case scenerios when truth is usually somewhere in the middle of both extremes, just like we Moderates!
I think it was relevant to the topic. I understand that you, along with many are frustrated with paying for welfare for others. I get that and can appreciate that. I also know who pays for welfare, the upper-lower and middle classes do. You and I both come from a dem state with very high taxes, so we both pay.
You crazy Neo-cons are actually funny with how you run with doom and despair and the worst case scenerios when truth is usually somewhere in the middle of both extremes, just like we Moderates!
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I think it was relevant to the topic. I understand that you, along with many are frustrated with paying for welfare for others. I get that and can appreciate that. I also know who pays for welfare, the upper-lower and middle classes do. You and I both come from a dem state with very high taxes, so we both pay.
You crazy Neo-cons are actually funny with how you run with doom and despair and the worst case scenerios when truth is usually somewhere in the middle of both extremes, just like we Moderates!
If I am a Neo-con then you are a socialist.
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Get it right neo-con, I am a bipolitical moderate, that has no problems with democratic socialism.
Democracy=Longevity?
Our Government is already way too powerful...its kinda scary.
