INVESTED IN DEFEAT. INVESTED IN AMERICA'S HUMILIATION

[Sureisaniceskimask]

How's this for supporting our troops? Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat (of course) has now declared that the United States has lost the war in Iraq. He told President Bush that the war could not be won through military force, in effect saying that the U.S. military is incapable of defeating the Islamic fascist enemy.

Know this, there is no way in hell that you can say you support our troops when you say that our troops cannot win the battle. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell put it well: "I can't begin to imagine how our troops in the field, who are risking their lives every day, are going to react when they get back to base and hear that the Democrat leader of the United States Senate has declared the war is lost."

What do you call a political leader in this country who declares a war to be lost while our men and women in uniform are putting their lives on the line to win that war? What do you call a highly placed political leader who puts a smile on the faces of the Islamic terroristSOB's who are out there trying to kill our soldiers? There's a word for it and that word is traitor! Dictionary.com has a few definitions for the word. See how you like them:

1. A person who betrays another, a cause or any trust.
2. A person who commits treason by betraying his or her country

So, what is treason? Giving aid and comfort to the enemy during a time of war. Did Reid's comments give aid to the Islamic fascists trying to kill our soldiers? How can anyone not say that Harry Reid's words did just that? The only question then is whether, in the definition of treason, we can be said to be at war.

This may be Reid's escape. For my part, he has not only given aid and comfort to the enemy, he has emboldened them. I feel certain that American men and women in Iraq will die as a result of Reid's words encouraging the people who want to kill them.

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(A rare note--Although Reid is a scumbag, the other word is not allowed).

Know this, Democrats are absolutely invested in our defeat at the hands of the Islamic insurgents in Iraq. Good news in Iraq is bad news for the Democrat Party MoveOn.org crowd. They watch the news every day looking eager for more stories of violence in Iraq aimed at innocents and our soldiers. The absence of those stories makes them sad. The presence of those stories lift their spirits.

Never in the history of this country has a political party been so dedicated to our defeat in armed conflict.

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[Sureisaniceskimask]

ORIGINAL: Ifferd

BTW what war are we fighting in Iraq? Who is killing who and why?

Can you honestly answer that?

We are fighting an international war with radical Islamic terrorists and this war is centered in Iraq.

They (terrorist) choose to blow themselves up because it's all they've got left. It chips away at the American psyche and with the left wing media giving the darkest side of the story it seems to be working...

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[Sureisaniceskimask]

ORIGINAL: Ifferd

So they aren't killing each other for sectarian-religious reasons? They are all Al Qeada hell bent on attacking US troops and citizens?

You really believe that?

No, I don't believe they are all Al Qaeda, I didn't say that. I understand that Iraq has turned into a disaster and I'll admit that we probably shouldn't have invaded, but the reality is that we are there and we need to finish what we've started.

I personally believe that Bush is worst president in the history of the United States. That and the Republican party falling to pieces and abandoning all of their principles makes me sick. This is why I"™m not a Republican.

All that aside I feel that we can not leave Iraq right now. If we do we"™ll just hand Iraq to Iran on a silver platter because Iraq is a mess right now. They need more time.

[Kybuckhunter]

America is doomed. Every third world country can now defeat the once mighty power. If they are somewhat patient America will cave in and defeat itself in Washington.

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[Sureisaniceskimask]

ORIGINAL: Ifferd

Sureisaniceskimask:

No offense, sorry didn't mean to be rude to you there.

I personally like the findings of the Baker Comission. I don't think we should leave today, but we should plan to leave in the next 2 years for sure.

I see the bloodshed in Iraq as Iraqis killing Iraqis because or religious/political differences. Saddam cracked heads and had to be a tryrant to control it.

Our ethics won't let us use such tactics (thank God) so we will never stop the killing.

We did win the war, the first one to remove Saddam. We are not and cannot win the civil war because it is not ours to fight, any more than Mexico could have won the American Civil War. Its was ours to fight and we had to sort it out for ourselves.

So will the Iraqis. If they really want freedom, they'll have it. If they want to be ruled by fanatical Islamic tyrants, they'll have it, and they should have what they want.

Self determination used to be a founding principle of our nation. I for one think it still is for all countrys.

Not everyone will be our friends and forcing them be what WE WANT will make the world even more dangerous for America, her citizens, troops, and economic interests.

You do what you can, where you can and get out. There is plenty to do here stateside anyway, and a lot that needs this incredible amount of money that will ultimatelybe wasted on Iraq. - And after all the hundreds of $$ Billions, Iraq will still be what it is.

That's MHO anyhoo.

It's funny, because I kind of agree with you. I think we should get out of Iraq soon too, but at the same time we can't set a timetable? We just can't tell the terrorist "this is the day we're going to leave" so it puts us in a position of just sticking it out? Ya know?

I just hate hearing that "we've lost" and "we can't win" because it's basically like telling our soldiers that they can't do there job. I hate that.

I wish there was an easy answer, but there isn't. The entire thing is just so sad...

[Champlain Islander]

We haven't lost the war as Ifferd pointed out. We invaded and fought a war against the government of Iraq which was ruled by a ruthless dictator and his Baath Party. We won that war and what is going on now is simply nothing more than an occupation. Most of the killing over there is sectarian and that coincides with the civil war which is ongoing. They don't care who is killed and unfortunately we are often a target. To remain in that country after our job is done is wrong. Now is the time for multinational peacekeepers to work with the different factions there and end the hostilities. It is apparent that we can't stop a civil war going street by street with a military presence. An organization such as the UN could accomplish much of what needs to be done over longer time period using diplomacy and a military force. One thing is for sure we will be gone by election time 2008 or slightly later. Everyone is focusing on not pulling out quickly and not to set a date. Common sense tells me that we will be out of there by the election time. Both parties are going to use that as their platform for election. If the GOP continues to stay the course they can't field a candidate who will win. Both parties will be looking to say they ended the war and that should end it quickly. As the time gets closer the end result will be that we pull out without much advance notice. It will have to work that way and it won't be any different than if we leave this summer except there will be another thousand or more US troops that will be killed and tens of thousands wounded needlessly. We have plenty of troops there that can work around the clock to train and set up the Iraqi army to take over. It would start tomorrow if Bush would remove it as a political issue. He needs to get them all together and tell them their goal is to devise an exit strategy and work together without any party voting. My take on the matter is that the Congressmen aren't necessarily the sharpest bunch we have in Washington. They are politicians which is the job they chose to earn a living. That doesn't make them subject matter experts in all that much other than power and corruption. They rely on people to advise them on how to do everything. Perhaps that committee should be made up of all those people who really know what is going on and keep Bush and his two parties out of it. Something might get done.

[CalHunter]

I think Reid is grandstanding for political purposes and his net result is endangering our troops further by emboldening and giving support to our enemies. If his goal is to get our troops out of Iraq, he could be much more effective by working with Bush to find a realistic solution instead of playing politics as usual. We do need to get out of Iraq and not stay there indefinitely. We do need to find a solution to the civil war over there so we can leave the country and not have a huge annihilation of the population result. We also need to find a solution to Iran's stupidity which is getting worse and is actually fomenting most of the problems in Iraq.

I don't like having any of our troops killed or maimed any more than the rest of you but I also think this is America's first big opportunity to change our military reputation since Vietnam. Harry Reid apparently is willing to help create another Vietnam just to possibly win a presidency with a failed candidate (billary) who isn't likely to win anyway. Regardless of whether you think we should have started this war or not, how we finish it will have a huge effect on either reducing terrorist acts against the U.S. or encouraging them. It really does matter how we end this war and our troops really are making a difference. God bless our troops and keep them safe!!