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Old 04-17-2007, 09:11 AM   #1
 
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Around the world, some decry U.S. "gun culture"
Foreign officials, commentators try to delve into American psyche

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[/align][/align]LONDON - The deadly university rampage in Virginia that killed 33 people sent shock waves around the world Tuesday with newspapers and talk shows delving into the American psyche and raising questions about lax gun controls in the United States.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard said the shooting underscored the problems of a U.S. "gun culture," but the gun control debate echoed loudest across Europe, which has some of the toughest gun laws in the world.
Prime Minister Tony Blair offered his condolences to the victims" families.
"I would like to express on behalf of Britain and the British people our profound sadness at what has happened and to send the American people and most especially, of course, the families of the victims, our sympathy and our prayers," Blair said.
"Shocked and saddened"
Most expressed shock at the shooting but few said they were surprised " criticizing the availability of guns in the United States, lax gun controls and the number of Americans who cling to the constitutional right that allows them to bear arms.
"The Queen was shocked and saddened to hear of the news of the shooting in Virginia," Buckingham Palace said. Queen Elizabeth and her husband, Prince Philip, are scheduled to visit Virginia May 3-4.
British Home Office Minister, Tony McNulty, earned a masters degree in political science at Virginia Tech in 1982.
"I think if this does prompt a serious and reflective debate on gun issues and gun law in the states then some good may come from this woeful tragedy," McNulty said.
Many families expressed relief when they heard their children were safe. Some were still waiting for news.
"He sounded OK. I think they had been very shocked all day " struggling to get in touch with their friends," Charles Barnwell of Birmingham, England, whose son George, 20, was locked in his dormitory with eight friends during the shooting.
"We took action," Australian PM says
Howard, the Australian prime minister, staked his political leadership on pushing through tough laws on gun ownership in his country after a lone gunman went on one of the world"s deadliest killing sprees 11 years ago in his country.
"We took action to limit the availability of guns and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country," he said.
The Times of London ran an editorial delving into the American psyche and the weak gun laws across the country.
"Why, we ask, do Americans continue to tolerate gun laws and a culture that seems to condemn thousands of innocents to death every year, when presumably, tougher restrictions, such as those in force in European countries, could at least reduce the number?"
Gun crime is extremely rare in Britain, and handguns are completely illegal. The ban is so strictly enforced that Britain"s Olympic pistol shooting team is barred from practicing in its own country.
Britain"s 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
"What exactly triggered the massacre in Virginia is unclear but the fundamental reason is often the perpetrator"s psychological problems in combination with access to weapons," Swedish daily Goteborgs-Posten commented.





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The shooting drew intense coverage by media in China, in part because the school has a relatively large Chinese student body and because U.S. reports said the gunman may have been Chinese or Asian.
Private citizens are forbidden from owning guns in China.
"Why are there were so many shooting incidents in American schools and universities?" said a comment posted on the popular Internet portal Sohu.com. "People should think why an American-educated student would take revenge against America?"
Yuan Peng, an American studies expert, was quoted by state-run China Daily as saying the shooting illustrated America"s problems with gun control and a lack of security at American universities.
"This incident reflects the problem of gun control in America," said Yuan, from the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, a Beijing-based think tank.
Only 7 percent of the more than 26,000 students at Virginia Tech are foreign, according to the school web site. But Chinese undergraduate and graduate students comprise nearly a third of that. There are about 600 or so students and teachers and their family members from China at the school, said Xue, the Chinese student union president.
"Self-defense imprinted on its DNA"
In Italy, leading daily Corriere della Sera"s ran an opinion piece entitled "Guns at the Supermarket" " a critical view of the U.S. gun lobby and the ease with which guns can be purchased.
"The latest attack on a U.S. campus will shake up America, maybe it will provoke more vigorous reactions than in the past, but it won"t change the culture of a country that has the notion of self-defense imprinted on its DNA and which considers the right of having guns inalienable," Corriere wrote in its front-page story.
In Italy, there are three types of licenses for gun ownership: for personal safety, target practice and skeet shooting, and hunting. Authorization is granted by the police. To obtain a gun for personal safety, the owner must be an adult and have a "valid" reason.
Several Italian graduate students at Virginia Tech recounted how they barricaded themselves inside a geology department building not far from the scene of the shooting.
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:17 AM   #2
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Gosh, I am so concerned about what the Australians, Chinese, and Italians think about us and our guns.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, the people with the guns are eventually gonna realize that they really don't have to take a bunch of crap from the anti-gun crowd who doesn't have guns.

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Ah, yes, heaven forbid we "cling to our constitutional rights."

I love the objectivity of that piece.

It always amuses me when foreign nations attempt to meddle in American affairs. There's a reason we're the brightest beacon for freedom in the world and they ain't.
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Britain"s 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
This is incredibly irresponsible journalism. The writer lists the homicide rate involving firearms in Britain, then lists the TOTAL homicide rate in New York to skew the statistics.

Total homicides for Britain last year -- 765
Total homicides for New York last year -- 579

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Old 04-17-2007, 09:34 AM   #5
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Its kind of like the anti-gun crowd that spout statistics about children killed by guns. They don't disclose that they are including 17 year old gangbangers killed in shootouts in their stats.
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:39 AM   #6
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"We took action," Australian PM says
Howard, the Australian prime minister, staked his political leadership on pushing through tough laws on gun ownership in his country after a lone gunman went on one of the world"s deadliest killing sprees 11 years ago in his country.
"We took action to limit the availability of guns and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country," he said.
The Times of London ran an editorial delving into the American psyche and the weak gun laws across the country.
"Why, we ask, do Americans continue to tolerate gun laws and a culture that seems to condemn thousands of innocents to death every year, when presumably, tougher restrictions, such as those in force in European countries, could at least reduce the number?"
Gun crime is extremely rare in Britain, and handguns are completely illegal. The ban is so strictly enforced that Britain"s Olympic pistol shooting team is barred from practicing in its own country.
Britain"s 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
Ask either of them what their overall crime rates have become since they disarmed their populaces, they usually stutter over that one.
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Old 04-17-2007, 10:09 AM   #7
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shocked i am that a totalitarian state like china has no private gun ownership.

what happened yesterday in virginia was a horrible tragedy, and my heart goes out to the victims and their families.

we live in the most free society on earth. tragedies like this happen in a free society, and there's nothing we can do to prevent it. no one's to blame except the shooter, and nothing can be done unless we're willing to fundamentally reweave the fabric of our society. i, for one, am unwilling to take that step.
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Old 04-17-2007, 10:28 AM   #8
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The anti's were so tickled they couldn't wait for the bodies to get cold before starting their rants.

This guy was not a regular U.S. citizen--he grew up in South Korea.

This is not something that happens on any kind of regular basis.

Compare crime statistics for states with strict gun control vs. states with lax gun control--guess who has less crime?

Ask inmates what they take into consideration when choosing a victim.

Compare these other countries over-all crime and murder rates. Plenty of ways to commit murder without a gun.

Compare gun deaths in schools/universitiesandsport related deaths (head trauma, heat stroke, etc.) in schools and universities--guess which one causes more deaths?

When faced with the facts, the anti's don't have a leg to stand on.

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I thought that everyone would like the objectivityof this article.
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Here we haveCommunist China, a dictatorship bent on world domination, condemning the hand that feeds its insatiable mouth. No private citizen in China can own a gun for any reason. Maybe some of the folks on this forum will quit buying that cheap Chinese junk.
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