We need to start now!

[cr422]

Pressuring our legislators to respect the Second Amendment and allow us to defend ourselves and each other against these sick pukes.

It makes me incredibly angry to think that some useless piece of work can walk into aschool classroom or dormitory and start killing people who are forbidden, by law, to defend themselves.

One person in that classroom with a gun might have saved a number of lives. The blood of the people who might have been saved is onthose legislators who vote for laws ensuring that only the killers will be armed.

[Champlain Islander]

Sorry but I can't go along with this one. Guns in classrooms don't work for me. True if any of the victims were packing they might have been able to stop the carnage. I have spent some time in various institutions of higher learning and wouldn't feel safe knowing the person who is sitting next to me might be armed.IMO armed students would increase the amount of violence that is happening in schools. Colleges admit students with high academic standards but don't screen for physiological problems. How many Columbines would there be if weapons were allowed in school. In the old days we went down to the corner and had a fist fight. The last one standing won and then it was forgotten. Add guns to the mix and the future of the loser would be short.

[cr422]

ORIGINAL: Champlain Islander

Sorry but I can't go along with this one. Guns in classrooms don't work for me. True if any of the victims were packing they might have been able to stop the carnage. I have spent some time in various institutions of higher learning and wouldn't feel safe knowing the person who is sitting next to me might be armed.IMO armed students would increase the amount of violence that is happening in schools. Colleges admit students with high academic standards but don't screen for physiological problems. How many Columbines would there be if weapons were allowed in school. In the old days we went down to the corner and had a fist fight. The last one standing won and then it was forgotten. Add guns to the mix and the future of the loser would be short.

The problem with your reasoning is that you don't know if the person sitting next to you is armed. Worse yet, you don't know if the next person to walk in the room will be armed.

I see your point or course, but we are seeing too many incidents where sick pukes are picking off people who have absolutely no way to defend themselves.

I've always advocated obeying the law, but I'm having second thoughts.With this kind of thing becoming more and more common, the guy you're sitting next to could be packing.

[Champlain Islander]

Students are generally young and some are not mature enough to make a decision to shoot. The government has mandated that civilians can't carry in an airliner and the flying population is usually older adults. Not knocking the kids going to college but many of them are pretty strange. I am not for gun control but there are times and places where they don't belong such as schools, court rooms, federal buildings, airlines etc. If all students were allowed to carry I believe the statistics on this type of tragedy would be higher. The airlines are starting to allow qualified pilots to arm themselves but they are secured in a cockpit and the possibility of an intruder disarming him and using the gun for an evil deed is minimal. Arm a teacher and there is no security and there is a high probability that a student or students could take the gun away and use it on others. Keep the guns out of schools and step up the security is the only way to lessen the chance of this happening. Unfortunately it has happened before and it will happen again because we are an open society who enjoy many freedoms.

[petasux]

IMO that would be almost as much of a knee jerk reaction on the part of gun owners as the soon to come propoganda that will surely be on the lips of every anti gunner in the country.

Most of these shooting have occured in high schools, are you suggesting kids from 14 to 18 start packing guns to school on the chance they will need to defend themselves?

[cr422]

ORIGINAL: petasux

IMO that would be almost as much of a knee jerk reaction on the part of gun owners as the soon to come propoganda that will surely be on the lips of every anti gunner in the country.

Most of these shooting have occured in high schools, are you suggesting kids from 14 to 18 start packing guns to school on the chance they will need to defend themselves?

14 might be a little young but 18 year olds can learn to use guns in the military and 17 year olds can hunt alone here.

This last incident was on a college campus where almost all the students will be 18 or better, many over 21.

In any case, in any educational institution, the faculty are pretty much guaranteed to be over 21.

A teacher, even a holder of a valid CPL, cannot legally carry on school property. Why? If a teacher goes nuts and decides to start killing his/her students, do you think the fact that he/she is not permitted to possess a weapon on school property is going to be a deterrent? C'mon get real.

How's this for a hypo? I go to law school (I really do by the way) but we aren't allowed to carry in classroom buildings. Let's say I develop a grudge against a prof because he gave me a low grade or picked on me in class or something. So I think to myself, I'd really like to go into class and shoot this guy and a couple of guys who laughed at me but I can't because I'm not allowed to bring a gun into the building. Does that sound realistic?

Everyone repeat after me! "Anyone who wants to get a gun and kill people is not going to be deterred by the fact that he cannot legally carry a gun where he intends to kill people."

[falcon]

""Everyone repeat after me! "Anyone who wants to get a gun and kill people is not going to be deterred by the fact that he cannot legally carry a gun where he intends to kill people.""

Ever wonder why the Democrats always whine for more gun control. Could it possible be because convicted felons vote in over 38 states? Convicted felons do vote overwhelmingly for Democrats.

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=420

[david m]

eh, no.

i'll bet you a dollar that if students on college campuses were allowed to carry, the number of shootings on campus would go up.

seriously. i'll lay money down on it.

[petasux]

How's this for a hypo? I go to law school (I really do by the way) but we aren't allowed to carry in classroom buildings. Let's say I develop a grudge against a prof because he gave me a low grade or picked on me in class or something. So I think to myself, I'd really like to go into class and shoot this guy and a couple of guys who laughed at me but I can't because I'm not allowed to bring a gun into the building. Does that sound realistic?

Nope, heres the realistic version, same kid is pissed off at his professor, knows his professor has a gun on him, whoops his professors ass because the professors not prepared to use deadly force to stop him as the kids unarmed, the kid now has the gun and bullets start flying in a crowded classroom.

or, the professor realizes hes in danger, pulls a handgun which by all accounts arent the easiest things to hit a target with, opens fire on the student, and misses killing the kid behind the attacker, or hits him and strikes the student behind him when the bullet passes through.

The way things stand now the kids pissed off at his professor but has to leave campus, aquire a gun, go back to campus, find the professor, and then shoot him.This gives the kid a lotta time to cool off and realize what a idiotic choice he is about to make.If he doesnt realize that in time hes got far deeper issues then being mad at his professor.

You dont seem to factor in theres not just the attacker and the defender in the room, theres a crowd of innocent people along with them, having guns in the classrom just makes them that more accessable for someone that just goes off on the spur of them moment and given a few minutes would come back to his senses.

[quiksilver]

Dude, hell would freeze over before I'd ever support guns on college campuses. That's just totally insane. You'd have a better chance of convincing me that G.W. Bush should be Time Magazine's "Man of the Year."