On the drive in I heard (on Fox) that a gas guzzler tax is being proposed to punish the folks that wish to drive a certain type of vehicle to reward the folks that wish to drive another.
These taxes, depending on the severity of the gas a vehicle sucks down can reach $2,500. This money will then be transfered to a pot where it will be distributed as rebates to those that buy hybrids.
I'll have to dig up a link and more info when I have more time but this is insanity at its best.
Guess I'll have to hurry up and buy that new Suburban before this gets implemented.
And oh BTW, what is up with the mentality that in order for us to be weaned from oil, we the people must be punished and taxed into the ground to do so?
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a gas guzzler tax
New tax? I'll have to check but I'm guessing the Democrats are back in control of the legislature...
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And oh BTW, what is up with the mentality that in order for us to be weaned from oil, we the people must be punished and taxed into the ground to do so?
Hey, those Lefties are smarter than the rest of us. I know I don't learn anything unless I'm whipped and beaten...
Hasn't there been a Gas Guzzler Tax in place since the Carter years? Is this a new tax that is to be imposed on top of the old one?
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badshotbob: People are idiots. They lose sight that this is, fundamentally, another tax. Are additional taxes good? Not in my book. Does it matter if the tax is levied "on someone else?" Not in my book. It is sort of like the second amendment. Is it a good thing when individual rights are constrained? Not in my book.Does it matter if the constrained rights "are the rights of someone else?" Not in my book. But people do not think fundamentally, they let their own petty resentments govern their behaviors.
I don't know what the issue is. Is this to limit our greenhouse gas emissions to "save the planet?" If so, that is BS to start with right there. There is not a good case that global warming is caused by human beings burning hydrocarbons -- either those in the form of fossil fuels or burning wood. This is just a political, trendy notion that has not stood the test of solid peer reviewed science. I don't mean to derail this thread debating "global warming," so I will not reply to any rants on this topic.
Is the issue decreasing our dependence on foreign oil? Again, sort of a pet topical issue "du jour." Don't think this is the right solution or a solution. The issues of supply and demand are much more complicated. For example, the increase of Chinese demand for fossil fuels may dominate supply and demand issues on the foreign markets.
Should we consume energy more efficiently? Absolutely. As an engineer I am trained to view waste as . . . wasteful. Somehow that sounds so obvious and tautological when expressed that way. But so it is. We should avoid wasting our resources. Let's be efficient.
Is a gas tax the way to make this happen? I'm not sure. Of course, I think many other countries do in fact levy precipitous gas taxes within their countries, so we would have plenty of good company there. Would this motivate people to migrate away from their gas guzzlers to more efficient vehicles. I reckon so. Speaking as an owner of a 2004 Suburban Z-71 gas guzzler, I would be motivated to park my vehicle more frequently if gas was $1 more expensive. The one thing I don't like in this proposal is that government has a very reliable track record of abusing their tax revenues. Oh, so 100% of this tax money is going to be refunded to hybrid owners? So if this works out to $100,000/hybrid owner annually is this going to be paid out or will a one time $3,000 payment to the hybrid owner be delivered and the remaining windfall tax money squandered by our fat, bloated, self-serving government?
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Oh, so 100% of this tax money is going to be refunded to hybrid owners? So if this works out to $100,000/hybrid owner annually is this going to be paid out or will a one time $3,000 payment to the hybrid owner be delivered and the remaining windfall tax money squandered by our fat, bloated, self-serving government?
I'd bet on option two... squandered by our fat, bloated, self-serving government.
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On the drive in I heard (on Fox) that a gas guzzler tax is being proposed to punish the folks that wish to drive a certain type of vehicle to reward the folks that wish to drive another.
These taxes, depending on the severity of the gas a vehicle sucks down can reach $2,500. This money will then be transfered to a pot where it will be distributed as rebates to those that buy hybrids.
I'll have to dig up a link and more info when I have more time but this is insanity at its best.
Guess I'll have to hurry up and buy that new Suburban before this gets implemented.
And oh BTW, what is up with the mentality that in order for us to be weaned from oil, we the people must be punished and taxed into the ground to do so?
While I am not saying that I agree with the tax, taking money from people and states is one the most effective ways if not the most effectiveto get people to comply and conform. Take $ and people will eventually comply.
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Gas that costs $1.80 per gallon is all the motivation I need to buy something more fuel efficient. Would this alleged tax be applied to all who own "gas guzzlers" or just those who purchase new ones? Hmmm... so those who own hybrids, which currently will never amortize their own cost through fuel savings and make up less than 1/1000th of a percent of all cars, are to be the recipients of this windfall? There's probably how many hybrid owners versus guzzler owners? That settles it for me, now I have a reason to buy a hybrid, the millions who own guzzlers just paid for it for me with more than enough left over to quit my job and buy my own healthcare insurance. Retirement at 47 is gonna be grand! [8D]
I don't know where you dug up this unsubstantiated tripe, but don't be a all your life...
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California drivers who buy new Hummers, Ford Expeditions and other big vehicles that emit high levels of greenhouse gases would pay a fee of up to $2,500.
And drivers who buy more fuel-efficient cars "” like the Toyota Prius or Ford Focus "” would receive rebates of up to $2,500, straight from the gas-guzzlers' pockets.
Yep. Tripe. [8D]
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badshotbob: People are idiots.
You've nailed it with that statement. And yes, this is about the global warming lie. I'd say if the People's Republic of California can get this through, then other states would surely follow eventually pressuring the swamp out east to stick it to everyone of us.
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Gas-Guzzler Tax Proposal will pay others' rebates
all your life... 
