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Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
Please allow me to rant. Before I start my rant, please consider all the negative media press about or education system, and how it places blame on the educators for the problems. Also, keep in mind the notion that American kids test scores fall short of other countries, or as shown by the media. Even in comparison with some 2nd word countries, we fall short. Instead of a rant, let me just clue you all in on a meeting I just attended. I was at an ARD meeting, which is an annual review of special ed kids. The review I attended was for a mentally retarded child who is a Sophomore. He is in my regular ed. biology classes, in which I have to modify his work to his level (which happens to be below pre K.). I have just moved up to pre. K. level work with this child just this month. I mention his level so you can get the full effect of how crazy NCLB is. In Texas, we have the TAKs test, which is the test we use to meet NCLB requirements. In science, it tests a general and advance understanding in physics, chemistry, and biology. According to NCLB (remember the operative word here is NO, in the no child left behind) every child has to be tested at age level, not developmental level. In this ARD meeting, we had to make arrangements for this child to take the TAKs test. This child will be required to take the TAKs test at age level, not to his mental level. He will get to take the modified versions, which means he will have an aid assist his reading. He will have to do physics, chemistry, and biology at a sophomore level. This child can not read or write. This child is below a 5 to 6 year old developmentally.[/align][/align]All of you bashing teachers for doing a poor job, who get your info from the news and the comparison of test scores with other countries, I would hope you consider this post. The media does not compare apples to apples. How many other countries do things this stupid, then hold teachers accountable for the governments actions. Government needs to get out of the educational system, and quit using it as a political tool, and let us educators fix it.[/align][/align][/align]Thank you for your time, you may now get back to your normal banter[/align]
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RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
I thought that one of the goals of NCLB was to eliminate "special ed" to spare the feelings of the kids who really do belong in such a class, so what happened?
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RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily
Please allow me to rant. Before I start my rant, please consider all the negative media press about or education system, and how it places blame on the educators for the problems. Also, keep in mind the notion that American kids test scores fall short of other countries, or as shown by the media. Even in comparison with some 2nd word countries, we fall short. Instead of a rant, let me just clue you all in on a meeting I just attended. I was at an ARD meeting, which is an annual review of special ed kids. The review I attended was for a mentally retarded child who is a Sophomore. He is in my regular ed. biology classes, in which I have to modify his work to his level (which happens to be below pre K.). I have just moved up to pre. K. level work with this child just this month. I mention his level so you can get the full effect of how crazy NCLB is. In Texas, we have the TAKs test, which is the test we use to meet NCLB requirements. In science, it tests a general and advance understanding in physics, chemistry, and biology. According to NCLB (remember the operative word here is NO, in the no child left behind) every child has to be tested at age level, not developmental level. In this ARD meeting, we had to make arrangements for this child to take the TAKs test. This child will be required to take the TAKs test at age level, not to his mental level. He will get to take the modified versions, which means he will have an aid assist his reading. He will have to do physics, chemistry, and biology at a sophomore level. This child can not read or write. This child is below a 5 to 6 year old developmentally.
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I feel you man and can appreciate where you are coming from. Always remember that children, the elderly and the disabled are always "second-class citizens" to many, and certainly to conservatives, as they do not make an income, so who cares?
Its really too bad that NCLB should really be renamed "Not every child needs a real education to work inone of the overly abundantand grossly under benefitted service job."
RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
First of all, I'm in full agreement that expecting to test a mentally disabled student by the same standards as the rest of the students is outside the realm of absurd and well on its way to being outright laughable.
That said, even as I acknowledge that NCLB is not without its flaws, such as the one you make an example of here, it's far better than what we had before, when there was no accountability. I cannot fathom a situation where a teacher would actually be held accountable if a mentally disabled child tested below the standard. NCLB has been in place for several years now and I've yet to hear of a teacher facing repercussions because their special ed students didn't test up to standard. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but if fewer than x-amount (I can't remember the number off the top of my head) of students within a particular school or school system qualify in a particular subcategory (special ed, economically disadvantaged, etc.), those scores don't factor into the NCLB report, thus they don't have an impact on how the school's performance is reflected by NCLB standards.
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RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
Question for ya Red. If Bush did something good, would you or the Democratic Party give him any credit? I doubt it.
I would be willing to bet even if Bush implemented a Democratic Plan, the Left lambast it just to make Bush look bad.
RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
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ORIGINAL: j_beste
Question for ya Red. If Bush did something good, would you or the Democratic Party give him any credit? I doubt it.
I would be willing to bet even if Bush implemented a Democratic Plan, the Left lambast it just to make Bush look bad.
If he did something good and competently I would give hims props without hesitation. Bush, Clinton, etc...I look at them all the same.
Its funny you ask, as on the way into work they replayed a snipitof Dan Barrerios show from last night on KFAN where he posed the question...."has Bush actually accomplished/completed anything competently through to conclusion?" I could not think of anything, can you?
RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
While I am not a huge Bush fan I have to give him credit for the tax-cuts he implemented which I think held the economy strong through war and a huge increase in gas prices. Its too bad the Democrats stoped him from privatizing social security, cause I thought that was an awesome idea. He created Health Savings Accounts within medicare. I liked both his supreme court appointments. There is also the Partial Birth abortion ban, Adam Walsh Child Protection act etc. You really dont hear about alot of these cause the media wont mention some of them. I guess only the ones they want to stir up controversy about. However I think he sucks on illegal immigration.
The problem with alot of his foreign policy programs is that they were all hijacked and destroyed by the left. The left has been emboldening our enemies for years now.
I dont think Bush was a great President, but he certainly did some good things and had to deal with a treasonous opposition since the 2000 election debacle.
RE: Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
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ORIGINAL: j_beste
While I am not a huge Bush fan I have to give him credit for the tax-cuts he implemented which I think held the economy strong through war and a huge increase in gas prices. Its too bad the Democrats stoped him from privatizing social security, cause I thought that was an awesome idea. He created Health Savings Accounts within medicare. I liked both his supreme court appointments. There is also the Partial Birth abortion ban, Adam Walsh Child Protection act etc. You really dont hear about alot of these cause the media wont mention some of them. I guess only the ones they want to stir up controversy about. However I think he sucks on illegal immigration.
The problem with alot of his foreign policy programs is that they were all hijacked and destroyed by the left. The left has been emboldening our enemies for years now.
I dont think Bush was a great President, but he certainly did some good things and had to deal with a treasonous opposition since the 2000 election debacle.
I have to at least agree with you regarding gas prices, as they were beginning to get a little scarey, and I do appreciate not having to pay $4 a gallon.
Just to let you all know how well Bush's NCLB is doing.
