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Old 03-08-2007, 12:01 PM   #1
 
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Conservatism is an authoritarian political ideology and mass movement that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and historical terms, above all other loyalties, and to create a mobilized national community.[1] Many different characteristics are attributed to conservatism by different scholars, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, corporatism, totalitarianism, collectivism[2], anti-liberalism, opposition to laissez-faire capitalism[3], and anti-communism. There are numerous debates between scholars regarding the nature of conservatism, and the kinds of political movements and governments that may be called conservatist, however most scholars see it as on the political right or allied with right-wing movements. For further elaboration, please see definitions of conservatism and conservatism and ideology.
Conservatism emphasizes the role of the personal will in creating political institutions, the use of violence in supressing political and ideological enemies and an existentialist emphasis on "living the moment dangerously".[citation needed]
The term Conservatism was first used by Benito Mussolini, and it comes from the Italian word Conservo, which means "union" or "league", and from the Latin word Conseso (Consiso, in singular), which means rods bundled around an axe. The Conces was an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of magistrates, and the symbolism of the Conces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.
Since the end of World War II, there has been considerable stigma associated with Conservatism, and few political groups in the past 60 years have dared to openly identify themselves as Conservatists. Unlike other ideologies, Conservatism never generated a large body of dogma or political theory, and, most importantly, there have been no significant political texts written from a fascist point of view since 1945. Thus, nearly all works on the topic of Conservative ideology have been written by non-conservative and anti-conservative authors, and it is often difficult to determine the fascist position on many important issues. The word "conservative" is often used pejoratively, a label used by people of all political views to draw criticism upon an opposing viewpoint. This has spilled over into debates concerning the ideological nature of conservatism, with adherents of some ideologies trying to draw parallels between conservatism and their own ideological opponents.
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Where'd youfind that, marxists.org?
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:32 PM   #3
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He's being dishonest... He took the Wikipedia definition of "Fascism" and, and substituted "Conservatism" for "Fascism" and "Conservative" for "Fascist". Here's the original text, from Wikipedia:

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Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology and mass movement that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and historical terms, above all other loyalties, and to create a mobilized national community.[1] Many different characteristics are attributed to fascism by different scholars, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, corporatism, totalitarianism, collectivism[2], anti-liberalism, opposition to laissez-faire capitalism[3], and anti-communism. There are numerous debates between scholars regarding the nature of fascism, and the kinds of political movements and governments that may be called fascist, however most scholars see it as on the political right or allied with right-wing movements. For further elaboration, please see definitions of fascism and fascism and ideology.
Fascism emphasizes the role of the personal will in creating political institutions, the use of violence in supressing political and ideological enemies and an existentialist emphasis on "living the moment dangerously".[citation needed]
The term fascism was first used by Benito Mussolini, and it comes from the Italian word fascio, which means "union" or "league", and from the Latin word fasces (fascis, in singular), which means rods bundled around an axe. The fasces was an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of magistrates, and the symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.
Since the end of World War II, there has been considerable stigma associated with fascism, and few political groups in the past 60 years have dared to openly identify themselves as fascist. Unlike other ideologies, fascism never generated a large body of dogma or political theory, and, most importantly, there have been no significant political texts written from a fascist point of view since 1945. Thus, nearly all works on the topic of fascist ideology have been written by non-fascist and anti-fascist authors, and it is often difficult to determine the fascist position on many important issues. The word "fascist" is often used pejoratively, a label used by people of all political views to draw criticism upon an opposing viewpoint. This has spilled over into debates concerning the ideological nature of fascism, with adherents of some ideologies trying to draw parallels between fascism and their own ideological opponents.
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He's being dishonest... He took the Wikipedia definition of "Fascism" and, and substituted "Conservatism" for "Fascism" and "Conservative" for "Fascist". Here's the original text, from Wikipedia:

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Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology and mass movement that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and historical terms, above all other loyalties, and to create a mobilized national community.[1] Many different characteristics are attributed to fascism by different scholars, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, corporatism, totalitarianism, collectivism[2], anti-liberalism, opposition to laissez-faire capitalism[3], and anti-communism. There are numerous debates between scholars regarding the nature of fascism, and the kinds of political movements and governments that may be called fascist, however most scholars see it as on the political right or allied with right-wing movements. For further elaboration, please see definitions of fascism and fascism and ideology.
Fascism emphasizes the role of the personal will in creating political institutions, the use of violence in supressing political and ideological enemies and an existentialist emphasis on "living the moment dangerously".[citation needed]
The term fascism was first used by Benito Mussolini, and it comes from the Italian word fascio, which means "union" or "league", and from the Latin word fasces (fascis, in singular), which means rods bundled around an axe. The fasces was an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of magistrates, and the symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.
Since the end of World War II, there has been considerable stigma associated with fascism, and few political groups in the past 60 years have dared to openly identify themselves as fascist. Unlike other ideologies, fascism never generated a large body of dogma or political theory, and, most importantly, there have been no significant political texts written from a fascist point of view since 1945. Thus, nearly all works on the topic of fascist ideology have been written by non-fascist and anti-fascist authors, and it is often difficult to determine the fascist position on many important issues. The word "fascist" is often used pejoratively, a label used by people of all political views to draw criticism upon an opposing viewpoint. This has spilled over into debates concerning the ideological nature of fascism, with adherents of some ideologies trying to draw parallels between fascism and their own ideological opponents.
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:43 PM   #5
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How am I completing a circle? Conservatism is not Fascism. Just like in the other thread. Liberalism is not Communism.

Why don't you just cite the definitions of Conservatism and Liberalism?
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Good catch, ipsc.
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Ya missed one.[8D]
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Good catch, ipsc.
It was supposed to be caught by someone at some point, to prove the point a point.
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Libs always paint a different face on the subject to benefit their agenda. Without this cover their arguments fall flat on their face.
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Good catch, ipsc.
It was supposed to be caught by someone at some point, to prove the point a point.
Which point? That you knowingly posted something false??
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