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Old 03-07-2007, 06:23 PM   #1
 
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I am not talking to very many conservatives who like their choices in 2008. For that matter, I'm not talking to very many moderates who like their choices in 2008. The liberals, well to be honest, I haven't talked to that many, but I would think they're in hog-heaven with both Clinton and Obama in the ballgame.

I've always had people tell me that you can't vote third party because it's a waste of your vote. To which I say BS. The Democrats and the Republicans have managed to take such a handle on the political machine that it would be hard for a third party to muscle its way in and buy some elbow room, there's no doubt about that, but this notion that a vote for a third party is just a waste of a vote is nothing but a scam that we're fed by the two major parties so they can stay in power.

The Republicans nor the Democrats seem to care very much about our nation right now. And, speaking as a conservative, I know that the Republican party darn sure doesn't seem to care too much about the things I care about these days. If they did, why would the two front-runners for the presidential nomination be just about the two least conservative choices available?

That post that CalHunter started the other day, about what your political reference is. How many referred to themselves as Republicans? Few, if I remember correctly. I think most referred to themselves as independents. But if you feel beholden to vote for one party or the other to avoid "throwing away" your vote, how are you independent? You may not be a card-carrying member of either party, but you're hardly independent.

If I vote for Peroutka or Keyes or some other candidate other than Republican or Democrat, my candidate obviously stands a snowball's chance of winning. But if everyone who has voiced their complaints about the choices in '08 decided to likewise thumb their nose at the Republicans and Democrats, our candidate might not win, but we'd make one hell of a powerful statement. We'd make the Republicans (or the Democrats, if you lean to the left) take notice. Perot didn't win in '92, but he made the Republicans take notice. It's funny how quickly they forgot the lesson they were taught back then.

As for those who will quickly say that a vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for the opposition (Clinton), I say: What's the difference? Can you show me a major difference between McCain or Guliani as opposed to Clinton or Obama? Six of one and half a dozen of the other is the addage that quickly comes to mind.

If you're happy with voting for one of those folks, by all means, go for it. But from the threads I've viewed on here the past few months, not many are happy with voting for them. Grassroots efforts are called grassroots efforts for a reason. They have to start somewhere. And change doesn't happen overnight. And all the other overused cliches that you can think of to throw in here. The bottom line is this: You want to make a difference? Stop voting for "the lesser of two evils" and vote for a candidate you feel comfortable with. If every American voter voted for a candidate they truly felt comfortable with, I guarantee you that we wouldn't have two major parties controlling everything and be stuck in the political quagmire that we're in.
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:29 PM   #2
 
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If the Republicans cannotnominate a real pro-gunner that i can support, somethird party nominee will get my vote.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:02 PM   #3
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I'll vote for the best man when it comes to the presidency. The problem is thatI don't see a lot of good candidates anywhere on the national stage. Unless the primaries are a real shocker, it'll probably be the lesser of two evils, moderate style.

I'll mostly likely lean Republican/conservative independent for congressional and state elections.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:34 PM   #4
 
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I do not like any of the Democrats or Republicans who arecurrently running for president but before I vote for a third party candidate I would have to be assured that it was someone of substance. Frankly, recent thirdparty candidates, Ralph Nader and Ross Perot come to mind, have struck me as a little bit flakey.

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Old 03-08-2007, 06:18 AM   #5
 
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Voting for nutty 3rd party = antigun candidate in whitehouse.

Republicans in 2008!

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Old 03-08-2007, 07:12 AM   #6
 
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I am not talking to very many conservatives who like their choices in 2008. For that matter, I'm not talking to very many moderates who like their choices in 2008. The liberals, well to be honest, I haven't talked to that many, but I would think they're in hog-heaven with both Clinton and Obama in the ballgame.

I've always had people tell me that you can't vote third party because it's a waste of your vote. To which I say BS. The Democrats and the Republicans have managed to take such a handle on the political machine that it would be hard for a third party to muscle its way in and buy some elbow room, there's no doubt about that, but this notion that a vote for a third party is just a waste of a vote is nothing but a scam that we're fed by the two major parties so they can stay in power.

The Republicans nor the Democrats seem to care very much about our nation right now. And, speaking as a conservative, I know that the Republican party darn sure doesn't seem to care too much about the things I care about these days. If they did, why would the two front-runners for the presidential nomination be just about the two least conservative choices available?

That post that CalHunter started the other day, about what your political reference is. How many referred to themselves as Republicans? Few, if I remember correctly. I think most referred to themselves as independents. But if you feel beholden to vote for one party or the other to avoid "throwing away" your vote, how are you independent? You may not be a card-carrying member of either party, but you're hardly independent.

If I vote for Peroutka or Keyes or some other candidate other than Republican or Democrat, my candidate obviously stands a snowball's chance of winning. But if everyone who has voiced their complaints about the choices in '08 decided to likewise thumb their nose at the Republicans and Democrats, our candidate might not win, but we'd make one hell of a powerful statement. We'd make the Republicans (or the Democrats, if you lean to the left) take notice. Perot didn't win in '92, but he made the Republicans take notice. It's funny how quickly they forgot the lesson they were taught back then.

As for those who will quickly say that a vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for the opposition (Clinton), I say: What's the difference? Can you show me a major difference between McCain or Guliani as opposed to Clinton or Obama? Six of one and half a dozen of the other is the addage that quickly comes to mind.

If you're happy with voting for one of those folks, by all means, go for it. But from the threads I've viewed on here the past few months, not many are happy with voting for them. Grassroots efforts are called grassroots efforts for a reason. They have to start somewhere. And change doesn't happen overnight. And all the other overused cliches that you can think of to throw in here. The bottom line is this: You want to make a difference? Stop voting for "the lesser of two evils" and vote for a candidate you feel comfortable with. If every American voter voted for a candidate they truly felt comfortable with, I guarantee you that we wouldn't have two major parties controlling everything and be stuck in the political quagmire that we're in.
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:36 AM   #7
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I think the lack of voter participation speaks volumes about the quality of candidates we have to chose from.

The G.O.P. has abandoned all but the largest of corporations in their approach to governing this country.We for the first time in our history have a negative savings rate. You should find that very frightening.The rate of spending growth shows a complete lack of control within the republican party.

I do not find the war to be Wya's largest blunder.His appointment of friends and political cronies for post that they are unprepared or just to inept to hold will continue to haunt him. Katrina is still in the news,the veterans care issue will be used in the up coming elections to point out how blind to issue's he really is.

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Im seeing a Bush, Clinton, Pero, manifestation.
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I do not find the war to be Wya's largest blunder.His appointment of friends and political cronies for post that they are unprepared or just to inept to hold will continue to haunt him.
That's pretty much the way all presidents appoint. Friends and political cronies. Pretty much the only reason to be a friend or crony of a politician is to get some plum job appointment. Most politicians aretoo slick and greasy to hang out with just for fun...

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Katrina is still in the news,the veterans care issue will be used in the up coming elections to point out how blind to issue's he really is.
Does it really make a big difference how blind to the issues Bush may or may not have been? He isn't running in the next election. And, I suspect most Republican candidates will be trying to keep a little distance between themselves and Bush.
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:56 AM   #10
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Im seeing a Bush, Clinton, Pero, manifestation.
Scary thought. Because that gives us Hillary.
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