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Old 03-05-2007, 02:27 PM   #1
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We've all been discussing this a lot lately with the Zumbo, Petzal, Wray and other writers' various comments. Many people have spoken about limits on the 2nd Amendment but nobody has defined exactly what they think those limits should be. With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the following questions/issues?

1. What firearms and/or weapons should be legal, which shouldn't and why?

2. Should a background check be required to buy a gun? If so, when and why?

3. What do you think was the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment when our framers wrote it? Does it apply today or not and why?
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:14 PM   #2
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Guess I'll go first.



1. What firearms and/or weapons should be legal, which shouldn't and why?
When the bill of Rights (BOR) was written, there were swords, muskets, rifles, mortars and cannons available to the public and no American restrictions on who could own them. Nobody said a military could have one set of weapons and a citizen was restricted to lesser arms.

Nobody said that a militia had to be some formal group of people authorized under a state or colonial government. All free men who owned or possessed a ridle, musket, sword, etc., were considered to be part of the citizen militia (all able bodied men) and were presumed to have this right enumerated in the 2nd Amendment.

I think it should be legal to own small arms and within reason small cannons. This includes .50 rifles, machine guns and smaller cannons. Yes, I can see a certain amount of reason for the current requirements on owning a machine gun but think they have served well and have proven that machine guns are not the enemy of law and order.

2. Should a background check be required to buy a gun? If so, when and why?
I don't disagree with ensuring that a felon or somebody who has been adjudged mentally insane,e tc. shouldn't have the right to own a firearm. I think it is quite feasible and should be required that an instant background check be done and not this current several days or even weeks farce that exists currently.

3. What do you think was the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment when our framers wrote it? Does it apply today or not and why?
I think our framers were quite mindful that the only reason they had any chance of overthrowing England and establishing independence was because of firearms ownership. I think our framers were inherently distrustful of a central government (with good reason) and that the 2A was required by most colonies BEFORE they would consent to a central government so as to protect their states and individual citizens' rights and liberties. I think this applies today even more so than ever. Our country and government works precisely because both ARE answerable to the people and because such liberties and rights are guaranteed.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:22 PM   #3
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2. Should a background check be required to buy a gun? If so, when and why?
I don't disagree with ensuring that a felon or somebody who has been adjudged mentally insane,e tc. shouldn't have the right to own a firearm. I think it is quite feasible and should be required that an instant background check be done and not this current several days or even weeks farce that exists currently.
Dang, Cal, it takes days or weeks in California? We use Instant Check here in Texas, and it takes less than 5 minutes.

AS for the rest of your post, I tend to agree with you. Although... I know a quite few folks who probably shouldn't be able to own a howitzer...
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What Cal said. [8D] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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We've all been discussing this a lot lately with the Zumbo, Petzal, Wray and other writers' various comments. Many people have spoken about limits on the 2nd Amendment but nobody has defined exactly what they think those limits should be. With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the following questions/issues?

1. What firearms and/or weapons should be legal, which shouldn't and why?

2. Should a background check be required to buy a gun? If so, when and why?

3. What do you think was the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment when our framers wrote it? Does it apply today or not and why?
1.All firearms exceptcrew-serve machine guns should be legal.

2. Background check should happen for everyone buying any firearmany time,no exceptions.

3. They framers thought ofthe firearms common folk commonly posessed at thetime. Yes I believe it can still apply in the same context today.
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i agree with CalHunter on this one.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:36 PM   #7
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Tough question you got there Cal. I keep wanting to reply, but it all comes up to we need some rules. Can't please 100% of the people. In the sake of safety, you can ban hundreds of things from motorcycles, to big ole SUV's, to all the way to natural gas.

In a post 9/11 world, do we really want dynamite accessable to just about anyone? Sure its handy to go down and buy some to blow out a stump.

I don't have the answer, but I am very close to feeling extremely uncomfortable with the laws we have now.

It would be awesome if we had responsible people in office to trust to make responsible rules. But we don't. We have people with agendas driven by money for thier campaigns by other groups with agendas. Hense the problem.
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Tough question you got there Cal. I keep wanting to reply, but it all comes up to we need some rules. Can't please 100% of the people. In the sake of safety, you can ban hundreds of things from motorcycles, to big ole SUV's, to all the way to natural gas.

In a post 9/11 world, do we really want dynamite accessable to just about anyone? Sure its handy to go down and buy some to blow out a stump.

I don't have the answer, but I am very close to feeling extremely uncomfortable with the laws we have now.

It would be awesome if we had responsible people in office to trust to make responsible rules. But we don't. We have people with agendas driven by money for thier campaigns by other groups with agendas. Hense the problem.
There's the flip side of my opinion. It also is very true. Sad, but true.

I'm afraid that some of our greatest freedoms are gonna become some of our greatest downfalls. I don't believe our framers could have predicted our country would be facing what we are. Still, I think they did a good job.
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2. Background check should happen for everyone buying any firearmany time,no exceptions.
The problem with this one is that it would prevent me from buying a gun for my son without unnecessary red tape.
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2. Background check should happen for everyone buying any firearmany time,no exceptions.
The problem with this one is that it would prevent me from buying a gun for my son without unnecessary red tape.
How so? Not saying you're wrong, just curious about the specifics.
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