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Old 03-01-2007, 08:56 AM   #1
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Default Can't they just call him Julie?

LARGO -- Steve Stanton loved this city he ran for 14 years. This week, he asked the city to love him back -- to accept his plans to pursue sex-change operation and let him keep his $140,000 job as city manager.

It didn't.

Almost 500 people packed into City Hall Tuesday night for a special meeting to decide if they would accept Susan instead of Steve as their top official.

And while many spoke eloquently in his defense, more called for his ouster.

``If Jesus was here tonight, I can guarantee you he'd want him terminated,'' said Pastor Ron Saunders of Largo's Lighthouse Baptist Church. ``Make no mistake about it.''

At the end of the 3-½ hour meeting, the City Commission voted 5-2 to begin the legal process of firing Stanton, only a week after he was forced to reveal his secret by a local newspaper. He is on paid leave while the city begins the legal process to end his contract. He can appeal and the commission must vote again to formally fire him.

Transgender activists on Wednesday called Stanton's firing a ``shameful display of ignorance and bias.'' But they suggested Largo's quick decision to fire a respected government official may be the anecdote they need to convince Congress to extend employment protections to gays, lesbians and transsexuals.

``We think this is a really clear example of the type of employment discrimination that transgendered people face every day,'' said Simon Aronoff, deputy director of the National Center for Transgender Equality in Washington, D.C. ``By all accounts, he was doing a good job. The only reason he was fired is because he made the brave decision to live openly.''

Mathew Staver, founder of the conservative Liberty Counsel legal group, said the city had a duty to reconsider the employment of a top official planning such a drastic change.

``The city hasn't changed the work environment. He has changed the work environment,'' Staver said. ``He has to take into consideration the consequences of that personal decision. I think it would be more difficult for the city to retain this person because of how it might undermine the representation of the city in the eyes of the community. It could become very awkward.''

The vote to oust Stanton came only a day after a Christian university in Michigan fired a male professor living as a woman only days after she legally changed her name to something more feminine. The university claims the former John Nemecek did not honor the terms of her contract.

``I think they decided to terminate me rather than call me Julie,'' said Nemecek, an ordained Baptist minister who worked for 16 years on the faculty of Spring Arbor University. Both sides are scheduled to be in court ordered mediation in March. Despite such high-profile setbacks, Aronoff said the transgender movement is gaining ground.

``We think this is our year,'' he said.

Last summer, a judge ruled a Westchester, N.Y., cook who claims he was fired from an upscale restaurant because he was a woman living as a man was covered by the state's human rights law, even though it doesn't mention sexual orientation. The ruling cleared the way for a $3 million discrimination lawsuit to proceed.

The Human Rights Campaign Foundation, which also lobbies for gay, lesbian and transgendered rights, estimates 10 states and more than 90 local governments have included gender identity in their nondiscrimination policies.

Stanton supported a similar ordinance in Largo in 2003, but the fact he kept his personal life a secret then intensified the anger directed at him Tuesday night. Many in the crowd accused him of harboring a hidden agenda.

``I do not feel he has the integrity, nor the trust, nor the respect, nor the confidence to continue as the city manager of the city of Largo,'' said Commissioner Mary Gray Black, who introduced a resolution to fire Stanton.

Stanton listened with hands clasped throughout the 3½ hour meeting.

``It's just real painful to know that seven days ago I was a good guy and now I have no integrity, I have no trust and most painful, I have no followers,'' Stanton told the crowd before the commission voted. ``Hopefully after all this is behind us, we'll be better for it.''

The surprise announcement stunned this city of 76,000 near St. Petersburg. Stanton said he had planned to reveal his secret this summer when his 13-year-old son was out of school.

Stanton, who is married, said he struggled with his secret desire to be a woman since childhood and hoped to ``outrun it.'' In 2003, he began counseling to deal with his feelings and ultimately decided to pursue a sex-change operation. He has not yet scheduled the surgery, but is undergoing counseling and hormone replacement therapy in preparation for the operation.

``I'm going to be embarrassed if we throw this man out on the trash heap after he's worked so hard for the city,'' said Mayor Patricia Gerard, one of a few Stanton chose to share his secret with before last week. ``We have a choice to make: We can go back to intolerance, or we can be the city of progress.''

Commissioner Gay Gentry praised Stanton, but supported his firing.

``I sense that he has lost his standing as a leader among the employees of the city,'' Gentry said. ``We have need of an organizational leader that employees will follow.''

Stanton left the room before the votes were cast, head down.

Gerard and Commissioner Rodney J. Woods _ the first black commissioner in the city's 102-year history _ cast the only votes in his favor.




Do you think he'll have cause fora sex discrimination suit?
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:26 AM   #2
 
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``If Jesus was here tonight, I can guarantee you he'd want him terminated,'' said Pastor Ron Saunders of Largo's Lighthouse Baptist Church. ``Make no mistake about it.''
nope, you can't gaurantee that Saunders, in fact Jesus could probably care less about his $140,000 a year job


Look, the guy had a contract that said they could fire him for no reason or any reason and they did.

Why ? He made a choice to go wacky weird and it didn't sit well with the city. His choice - buh by to his job, end of story
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:56 AM   #3
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That's democracy in action for you. I encourage people to live as they please, but I also need them to realize that the public will probably reject such behavior as it pleases. We all have rights, but no right to be accepted.
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Old 03-01-2007, 09:59 AM   #4
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What if he was the best at his job they have evr had. Does it really matter that now he will sitdown to pee?

You think they screw that up when they first have the operation? Oops I just pee'd all over myself.[8D]
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:03 AM   #5
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What if he was the best at his job they have evr had. Does it really matter that now he will sitdown to pee?

You think they screw that up when they first have the operation? Oops I just pee'd all over myself.[8D]
Gawd, Charlie. *shakes head*

If he/she/it is the best for the job, then...I still believe the people should decide who works for them in their small town government. They don't like freaks, and I don't blame them. You can only go against nature so much before people think you're friggin' nuts.
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:05 AM   #6
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How many times you think it will reach down to scartch and the remember "THE BOYS ARE GONE"
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How many times you think it will reach down to scartch and the remember "THE BOYS ARE GONE"
That's what the Monostat is for...
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:23 AM   #8
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in a past job, i was approached by some people to help them structure a real estate deal. they wanted to open a nursing/convalescent home for transgendered WWII vets. i had to ask myself, jees, how many of THAT constituency is there really around to serve?
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What if he was the best at his job they have evr had.
I submit a man so warped as to subject himself to the rest of his life on injections of hormones, steroids, medical issues/problems etc etc because of his insistance to remove all races of manhood from himself (though genetically still very much male) ........... he's unstable and likely wasn't the best, and certainly this will affect things in the coming future mentally and physically.
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``I think they decided to terminate me rather than call me Julie,'' said Nemecek, an ordained Baptist minister who worked for 16 years on the faculty of Spring Arbor University.
Not being a religiously oriented person this confuses me, how the hell can a transexual be an ordained Baptist minister?

IMO transexuals are nothing more than seriously mentally defective wierdos at best, and they never should have allowed the surgical proceedure that creates them to be legal. If you're born with a unit you're a man no matter what your sick mind tells you, if you're born wanting a unit in you then you're a woman only if you're able to naturally grow the appropriate equipment to accomodate that desire. Anything else is a sick perversion of Nature's design. [:'(]
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