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Old 02-15-2007, 02:05 PM   #1
 
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Baghdad -- U.S. defense and intelligence officials today rolled out what they said was solid evidence that Iran was providing bombs to target U.S. and Iraqi troops and accused Iran's supreme leader of orchestrating the smuggling of such devices over the Iran-Iraq border.

At a briefing held under unusually secretive conditions here, the U.S. officials, who refused to be identified by name and did not allow cameras or recording devices inside a conference room, offered up tables laden with hardware and a slide show of documentation that they said bolstered the U.S. contentions of Iranian involvement in Iraqi unrest.

One of the officials, a military explosives expert, sat cradling the remnants of what he said was an Iranian-made explosively-formed penetrator, or EFP, on the table in front of him. The officer said that the device, which looked like a large coffee can stuffed with a gray, sandy substance, has been responsible for the deaths of at least 170 U.S. and other forces since first surfacing in Iraq in June 2004.

Also on display at the press conference were about three dozen tailfins of 60-milimeter and 81-milimeter mortars; two anti-tank rockets; shipping containers for mortars; a chunk of metal said to have been rocketed out of an Iranian-made explosive; and the identification cards, tucked into clear, plastic baggies, of two men arrested by U.S. agents in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil last month.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq12feb12,0,6204346.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Can anyone tell me why this is false and just propaganda to start a war with Iran?
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Because it's not false, it's very true, Iran has been supplying the shiite factions in Iraq just as Iran has been supplying terrorist groups for years. Are you going to try to convince us now how wonderful Iran & their mullahs are?How they just want peace? GMAFB...
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Can anyone tell me why this is false and just propaganda to start a war with Iran?
Well . . . why is it?
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:40 PM   #4
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Oooh oooh I know, I know.. call me...



Because the Bush administration was behind it?



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Iran has been up to their necks in theIraq since Saddam attacked Iran.Saddam's armyhad an awful time rooting the Shiites and their Iranian backers out of the swamps in southern Iraq. Finally a charismatic Iraqi general and his corps went down there and took care of the problem. Saddam showed his gratitude by having the general shot.
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Wow. Nice Christmas bonus... Too bad he's not still in charge.
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Old 02-15-2007, 04:57 PM   #7
 
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The markings are english and Iran nor does russia make an 81mm mortar. The smallest mortar made by Iran is 103mm.
This is from pakistan.


Pentagon Caught Red Handed in an Attempt to Frame Iran:
Iran Does Not Manufacture 81MM Mortar Shells
By Kurt Nimmo
Global Research
Tuesday 13 February 2007
Pentagon carelessness fabricating bogus "evidence" against Iran is really quite stupendous. As I wrote here yesterday, the 81mm mortar shell offered up to the complaisant corporate media as "evidence" Iran is supplying weaponry to the Shi'a of Iraq is an obvious ruse, as the date on the proffered shell does not follow the Muslim calendar and other markings are in English when it only makes sense they would appear in Persian script.
But it gets worse.
As a recent email points out, Iran does not manufacture 81mm mortar shells. According to a report offered by the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, connected to the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the neocon Brookings Institute, the smallest mortar produced by Iran is the 107mm M-30. This information is included in the JCSS's "Middle East Military Balance," updated last February. It can be read in this PDF file on page 15. According to JCSS, "The Middle East Military Balance has been the most authoritative source on Middle Eastern Armies since 1983." It is quite fortunate for us the hubris-filled neocons care not to double check their engineered lies-erroneously described as a "machining process"-before unleashing them on an unwitting public.
As Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told the Associated Press, the "United States has a long history in fabricating evidence," an undisputed fact more than underscored by the lead-up to the Iraq invasion when the neocons claimed Iraqi weather balloon trailers doubled as biological weapon labs and clumsily recycled a student's homework as evidence Saddam was dabbling in weapons of mass destruction.
Considering the shoddiness of the mortar ruse, it makes perfect sense so-called "experts" involved in the scam told "a large gathering of reporters" (more accurately described as script readers and errand boys) "they not be further identified," lest blame be delivered to their doorstep.
"Why are US officials hiding behind the cloak of anonymity when presenting the most detailed evidence yet that Iran is supplying anti-US forces in Iraq with weaponry?" muses Eason Jordan. "After weeks, if not months, of US official planning to present a damning 'dossier' of incriminating evidence against Iran, and after this same US administration presented us with lopsided, erroneous information about the capability and evil intentions of the Saddam Hussein regime, the best the US government can give us today is incendiary evidence presented at a Baghdad news conference by three US officials who refuse to be quoted by name?.... The American people deserve straight talk from identified US officials."
Of course, such "straight talk" will not be forthcoming-not now or after Iran is destroyed, as Iraq was destroyed before it.
Maybe, if we are lucky, at some point in the future, the names of these "experts" will emerge in the course of a new Nuremberg trial.
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Iran does not manufacture 81mm mortars-but Pakistan does. Compare the photo on this death merchant catalog page with the one offered up as "evidence" against the Iranians. Minus the nosecone and fins at the bottom, it is almost a dead ringer, excuse the metaphor (see enlargement here).
Is it possible the Pentagon neocons, in their zeal to finger the Iranians and thus kick start World War Four, as they fondly call it, are using a Pakistani mortar and attributing it to Iran? Considering the long and sordid history of collaboration between the CIA, Pentagon, and Pakistan's nefarious ISI, this is likely the case.


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Hrmm. Here are some american made mortars from the past. Anyone see a candidate for the Iran mortar? Look real careful now.



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"Pentagon carelessness fabricating bogus "evidence" against Iran is really quite stupendous. As I wrote here yesterday, the 81mm mortar shell offered up to the complaisant corporate media as "evidence" Iran is supplying weaponry to the Shi'a of Iraq is an obvious ruse, as the date on the proffered shell does not follow the Muslim calendar and other markings are in English when it only makes sense they would appear in Persian script."


It does not make sense that makings appear in Persian script.There is a UNO agreement to that effect.A very few countries do use markings in their own language. Many countries often manufacture ammunition in calibers that they themselves do not use.It is done for international sale and secret squirrel stuff. Been involved inammunition stuff since 1959 often at the international level.i can tell you that this guy does not know what he is talking about. This Kurt Nimmo is justanotherleft wing wacko who saw a chance to attack the US military. This is not a Bush and/or Pentagon conspiracy.
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Old 02-15-2007, 06:49 PM   #10
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If our guys are framing "evidence" as a pretext forgoing into Iran, that's ridiculous! Many on the left have already said we should be attacking them instead of Iraq, and they are not being secret about developing nukes while at the same time stating that they will wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Of course, if we do go in, the left will once again say they didn't mean it, that we should have "negotiated" with the terrorist thugs Personally, I hope Israel cleans up this mess, even if it has to make a glass factory out of Iran for making such unprovoked, terrorizing statements.
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