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Old 02-14-2007, 07:13 AM   #1
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I was switching through the channels the other night and stopped on comedy central.I think it was the Colbert report or something, not sure I dont usually watch it.He was interviewing a lady that was pushing her book titled The end of blackness or something along those lines.But it was the interview concerning Obama that really caught my attention.

According to her book Obama cant claim to be a black man.Matter of fact she went into detail about how the only ones that could call themselves black were people with black ancestors that were owned by slaves.She was insistant that Obama call himself a African/African American instead.Even suggested that he could call himself "black as circumstances allow"And apparently theres many who share her opinion.

I find it amazing that with all the cries to end racism from the black community theyre now creating seperate catagories of blackness among themselves.Im not sure I ever heard this "have to be the ancestor of slaves" spin on things before.
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Old 02-14-2007, 07:27 AM   #2
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Sounds like an attempt to continue the old Slave Woes into the future...I think they need to get over it or start a new Franchise dealing in slaves to give themselves some legitimacy...my ancestors did not own slaves but I still get labeled a cracker by these morons...

the word that got filtered out sounds like " kerr-rack-err "
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LOL - Obama is as much a white man as he is a black man - his daddy was of African national decent, his mother white as whole milk.

His skin on the other hand ........ thats black, and most people identify the color of skin with what nationality or ethnicity you are. Impossible to do that in todays world, however, black leaders still trump skin color as the determining factor.

Tiger Wood - great black golfer ? No - great THAI-AMERICAN golfer, he aint but 1/4 "black"

Obama - great black presidential hope ? No - great 1/2 white, 1/2 black presidential hope
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He's black and that's it. No one can dictate his ethnicity to him, and the more certain other blacks try to say "he ain't one of us" the more stupid they prove to be.
Actually, his skin color is somewhat black, thats all the "thats that" you can say about him.

His ethnicity and race is really quite unknown. I don't know his white mothers heritage, or his black daddy's, do you ? They might have French roots, or British roots, or who knows where. Might be his Mom has African roots, and his Dad has Swedish roots ?

Charlize Theorn - through and through, absolultey 100% to the core African American ......... but she aint "black"

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anyone claiming Obama isn't black/African Americanis just plain stupid.
prove that Obama has ANY African heritage at all then Ifferd
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African Americans descend primarily from enslaved Africans brought to the United States, especially the American South, between 1565 and 1807, the majority of whom were brought in the 18th century. About three-quarters of the slaves came from West Africa and the remaining quarter came from the Angola-Congo region.[1] Some estimate that the average African American is 80% African-descended, 40% of African Americans also have some Native American ancestry.[2][3]

Previously acceptable terms that are now viewed as archaic (and, outside of historical contexts, even insulting) include ***** and Colored; today, the most common term is probably African American, with Black also commonly accepted since the late 1960s; the term Afro-American was apparently first prominently used in 1961 by a group of activists including Maya Angelou and Leroi Jones (later known as Amiri Baraka)[4] and became common from the late 1960s into the 1980s; it remains generally acceptable, but less common, and has lately been developing a "period" connotation. Blacks are also included in the broader term "people of color".
The history of the use of these terms is evident in the names of various African American organizations founded over time. The civil rights organization the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), founded 1909, is significantly older than the philanthropic organization the United ***** College Fund, founded in 1944. The term colored had come to be seen as politically incorrect by the time of the UNCF's founding. Nonetheless, both ***** and colored remained common until the late 1960s, especially in the Southern United States.

As the Civil Rights Movement evolved in the 1960s into the Black Power/Black Pride movement, these older terms lost favor and became associated with the pre-civil-rights situation of Blacks in America. Through this movement, the terms Black and Afro-American both emerged into common usage in the late 1960s. Due to this legacy, by 1980, the term Black had become accepted by a majority of Americans of African descent, and had also became the referential term applied by white Americans in general.

In the late 1980s, Blacks began to abandon the term Afro-American, adopting the autonym African American instead. Some did so out of a desire for an unabbreviated expression of their African heritage that could not be mistaken or derided as an allusion to the afro hairstyle. Others wished to assert their pride in their African origins. The term dated back at least to Black nationalist Malcolm X, who favored African American as more historically and culturally defining over other terms, and used it at an OAAU (Organization of Afro American Unity) meeting in the mid-1960s, saying, "Twenty-two million African Americans - that's what we are - Africans who are in America." However, it did not become widely used at that time. During the 1980s, the most influential proponent of the widespread adoption of the term was Jesse Jackson. Jackson and like-minded persons argued that African American was more in keeping with the United States tradition of "hyphenated Americans", which links people with their ancestors' geographic points of origin, and allows people to assert pride in their ethnic heritage, while maintaining an American national identity.

This usage of the term African American generally refers to black African ancestry and American nationality. But generally speaking, the term does not include whites or Asians from Africa, nor does it include Africans in Africa, the Caribbean, or elsewhere. Still, there is disagreement as to whether the term should refer only to Blacks who can trace their American roots to the colonial period or slavery, or whether it also should include black immigrants from Africa, the Caribbean and Latin America and their descendants. To some extent, this is a matter of cultural vs. geographic meaning. In the narrow sense, the term refers only to those descended from a small number of colonial indentured servants and the estimated 500,000 Africans taken to British North America (later becoming the United States) as slaves (of approximately 10 - 12 million Africans taken to the Western Hemisphere in general). In a broader usage, the term can include West Indian and Afro-Latino immigrants whose African ancestors also survived the Middle Passage or recent African immigrants/children of immigrants with American citizenship, but these groups tend to use the ethnic terms Latino or Hispanic, or identify themselves by their countries of origin, (for example, as Nigerian, Dominican or Jamaican), instead of African American. The term does not include predominantly European, Arab or South Asian-descended immigrants from the African continent, and they are not generally considered to be indigenous Africans by the black African majority.

However, under certain circumstances these groups that have existed in the Central American and Caribbean region since the 1600s will be called black by people from these diverse regions. There is a multitude of Asian descendants from the 1600s in the Caribbean and Central Americas. This mixing of culture and "race" has lead to mostly "dark" skinned peoples of this region referred to as "black" or African American, but neither is a term these people claim as a part of their identity.

Non-blacks from Africa who become permanent residents or citizens of the United States are not generally referred to as African American nor are they thought of as such in the United States. Ironically, many Africans throughout the "motherland" identify with their "blackness", even in iteration within their common native tongue to define their racial makeup.
The Associated Press stylebook prefers the term black. It instructs journalists to use African-American only in quotations or in the names of organizations or if individuals describe themselves as such.
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Ifferd - burden of proof is on you bubba - you're calling the man African American, not me.

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Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (born in Alego, a village in Nyanza Province, Kenya) and Ann Dunham (born in Wichita, Kansas). His parents met while both were attending the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was enrolled as a foreign student.[6]

When Obama was two years old, his parents separated and later divorced; his father went to Harvard University to pursue Ph.D. studies, eventually returning to Kenya.[7] His mother married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian foreign student, with whom she had one daughter. The family moved to Jakarta, where Obama attended local schools from ages 6 to 10.[8] He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, attending Punahou School from 5th through 12th grade and graduating from there in 1979.[9][10] His father died in a car accident in Kenya when Obama was 21 years old.[11] Obama's mother died of cancer a few months after the publication of his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father.[12]
You see, Obama is every bit as much White Kansan American as he is African American .......... why call him one over the other Ifferd ?



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"That my father looked nothing like the people around me "” that he was black as pitch, my mother white as milk "” barely registered in my mind."[13] As a young adult, he struggled to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage. Obama writes about using marijuana and cocaine during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind."[14]
Neat little quote there ........ Obama is every bit as much white as he is black (caucasian/african heritage) You see Ifferd, calling him African American is racist - what itdoes is it totally discounts his entire materal side, its dismissing 1/2 his heritage based on one thing - the color of his skin.

You're a racist pig aren't you Ifferd ? I see Obama as anAmerican, dark skinned, he has multi-racial background that constitutes 1/2 caucasian and 1/2 african. I don't see him as a "black man" based on his skin color like you and so many others do.

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