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Old 02-12-2007, 06:45 AM   #1
 
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I watched liberal Democrat Barack Obama on 60 Minutes last night. No doubt about it .. he's glib. He's smooth. Please note, though, that I won't say that he's articulate. In the last few weeks we've come to know that saying that a black person is "articulate" is racist.

Oh .. you didn't know that? Where you've been? Remember when Joe Biden said that Barack was "articulate?" Well this was immediately translated into Biden saying that Obama is articulate and that somehow makes him different from all other blacks who aren't. So now you have to be careful to onlygive a white person credit for being articulate. Stray away from this rule and you run the chance of being called a racist.

OK, back to the socialized medicine thing. Barack ... like virtually every Democrat candidate ... is pushing the "universal health care" theme.

Know this. "Universal health care" is just sugar-coated way of saying socialized medicine. The left has become very adept of late in coming up with clever words and phrases to substitute for words and phrases to most Americans react negatively. "Liberal" has become "progressive." "Spending" is now called "investing." People might object to government spending, but who would object to some sound investments? Similarly, "socialized medicine" is now "universal health care." These people know they aren't going to get elected on the promise of socialized medicine.

Democrats know that the best and most efficient way to deliver health care services to the most people in this country is through the private sector. There has been no economic mechanism in the history of mankind that does a better job of delivering essential services and products to people quicker and more efficiently than capitalism and the free market. Democrats know this. You know this.

But there is a problem.

When the free market delivers the services it leaves politicians on the sidelines ... with little power. This is completely unacceptable.

The call for socialized medicine is not about a more efficient method of delivering medical care. It's about gaining even more power over the everyday lives of Americans. When you control someone's health care, you control them.
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I thought they jumped all over biden because he said that Obama was "clean"
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Boy, it's a good deal we still have medicare around for those who can't afford health care. It's also kinda handy to have so you can pull off of it to cover the tax cuts on high income earners, 5 million dollar estates, and capital gains. I'm glad there's still some who care about the middle and lower classes out there. Hooray for Medicare, the magic sollution for paying for 2.7 million dollar budget. Decreased government spending my a$$.
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Democrats know that the best and most efficient way to deliver health care services to the most people in this country is through the private sector. There has been no economic mechanism in the history of mankind that does a better job of delivering essential services and products to people quicker and more efficiently than capitalism and the free market. Democrats know this. You know this.
Best and efficient at limiting costs, making money and making health care a business, but definitely not the best and most effecient. I work for an insurancecompany, and it is"all about the dollar," and efficiency is only in regards toproviding the minimum in services at the cheapest cost. I have seen many times when a person does not received needed treatment or gets less than adequate purely due to $/cost.I support socialized medicine, and it should not be a business, but a facet of our welfare system. Too many lies exist regarding that service and quality would be less. Just a lie forit to remain an extremely profitable business.
My god how has the VA been able to survive and make significant strides in research regarding issues such as PTSD without private sector interferance.
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I watched liberal Democrat Barack Obama on 60 Minutes last night. No doubt about it .. he's glib. He's smooth. Please note, though, that I won't say that he's articulate. In the last few weeks we've come to know that saying that a black person is "articulate" is racist.

Oh .. you didn't know that? Where you've been? Remember when Joe Biden said that Barack was "articulate?" Well this was immediately translated into Biden saying that Obama is articulate and that somehow makes him different from all other blacks who aren't. So now you have to be careful to onlygive a white person credit for being articulate. Stray away from this rule and you run the chance of being called a racist.

OK, back to the socialized medicine thing. Barack ... like virtually every Democrat candidate ... is pushing the "universal health care" theme.

Know this. "Universal health care" is just sugar-coated way of saying socialized medicine. The left has become very adept of late in coming up with clever words and phrases to substitute for words and phrases to most Americans react negatively. "Liberal" has become "progressive." "Spending" is now called "investing." People might object to government spending, but who would object to some sound investments? Similarly, "socialized medicine" is now "universal health care." These people know they aren't going to get elected on the promise of socialized medicine.

Democrats know that the best and most efficient way to deliver health care services to the most people in this country is through the private sector. There has been no economic mechanism in the history of mankind that does a better job of delivering essential services and products to people quicker and more efficiently than capitalism and the free market. Democrats know this. You know this.

But there is a problem.

When the free market delivers the services it leaves politicians on the sidelines ... with little power. This is completely unacceptable.

The call for socialized medicine is not about a more efficient method of delivering medical care. It's about gaining even more power over the everyday lives of Americans. When you control someone's health care, you control them.
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Best and efficient at limiting costs, making money and making health care a business, but definitely not the best and most effecient. I work for an insurancecompany, and it is"all about the dollar," and efficiency is only in regards toproviding the minimum in services at the cheapest cost. I have seen many times when a person does not received needed treatment or gets less than adequate purely due to $/cost.I support socialized medicine, and it should not be a business, but a facet of our welfare system. Too many lies exist regarding that service and quality would be less. Just a lie forit to remain an extremely profitable business.
My god how has the VA been able to survive and make significant strides in research regarding issues such as PTSD without private sector interferance.
Being a student in economics, we are shown certain instaces in which the markets cannot take care of themselves. Look at agriculture, sure it is a simple market based on supply and demand, but producers still recieve subsidies, certain imports are charged tariffs. Look at regulated monopolies such as utility companies. There are certain instances where open market does not work. It's plain, demand for healthcare is very high, millions are without it. What does this mean in economic terms, demand goes up, price goes up. This makes it even harder for those without healthcare to get it. Government has ways of fixing these problems, and I don't see why we fight letting them use there power to help citizens.

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Why should I have to pay for someone else to see a doctor for free? I pay out over $200 every month for healthcare, I see no reason for someone else to get a free ride if I'm paying my way. Screw Medicaid and all the other welfare, if you don't have health insurance get a job that offers it as part of it's benefit package like the rest of us.
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