Criminals have more rights than good citizens in Milwaukee

[Briman]

see article after edit- gardamn forum is rediculously hard to post on[:@]

[Briman]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=560194

Deliveryman who shot 2 is charged

Prosecutors say shootings justified, but gun concealed

By DERRICK NUNNALLY
dnunnally@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Jan. 31, 2007

A pizza deliveryman who has shot two people on the job in the past seven months was hit with his first criminal charge Wednesday: carrying a concealed weapon.

Andres Vegas, 46, who told authorities that the teenagers he shot last month and in July were trying to rob him, appeared in court and was released on a $1,500 signature bond Wednesday. He faces up to nine months in jail and a $10,000 fine if convicted of the misdemeanor. His next court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 19.

According to the criminal complaint, Vegas, of Cudahy, was making a delivery in the 2800 block of N. 22nd St. on the evening of Jan. 4 for Mona Lisa Pizza, 4831 W. North Ave. As he got out of his car, he was approached by an armed assailant. Vegas then reached into his car's passenger seat, got his .32 semi-automatic pistol and shot his assailant, the complaint says; he then waited for police.

The complaint says the suspect admitted trying to rob Vegas, who prosecutors then determined was justified in the shooting. But because Vegas' gun had been on "the front passenger seat beside the pizzas," it met the definition of a concealed weapon.

The complaint also says that "prosecutorial discretion" was why Vegas wasn't charged in the July shooting, even though he "admitted to carrying a gun on his person in a concealed manner." But Vegas was warned then that he could not carry a concealed gun for protection on his job.

[bnhcomputing]

Criminals are given more rights every day. This won't change until we change the government.

[Briman]

Criminals are given more rights every day. This won't change until we change the government.

Well said.

The neighborhood that the incident occurred in is what would be considered 'da hood' in Milwaukee. I drive through that area every day on the way to work- no way would I everget out of my truck without a firearm on my person, locked and cocked, legal or not. The man trying to make a living doing dangerous work in a dangerous neighborhood is a very vivid contrast to the DA sitting in his cushy downtown office sorrounded by bodyguards. The DA charging the man was the former assistant Milwaukee county DA who has just moved up due to his former boss' retirement. The new DA is probably using this case as a political prosecution against personal self defense- he was in charge of prosecuting so called 'gun crimes' in Milwaukee as an assistant DA.

[alsaqr]

Except for liberal run Tulsa, the delivery man would not have been charged anywhere in OK. This is what happens when thecriminal coddling liberalsget their way. Know why: Convicted felons vote in 38 states and they votefor Democrats.

[kevin1]

Don't they issue concealed carry permits in Wisconsin? Did he have one?

[ipscshooter]

ORIGINAL: Briman

Well said.

The neighborhood that the incident occurred in is what would be considered 'da hood' in Milwaukee. I drive through that area every day on the way to work- no way would I everget out of my truck without a firearm on my person, locked and cocked, legal or not.

Of course, if Pizza Hut, or whatever, decided not to deliver in that neighborhood because it's too dangerous for their drivers, Revs. Jesse and Al would be screaming racism until Pizza Hut coughed up some cash for the Rainbow Coalition...

[bnhcomputing]

Wisconsin is one of only two remaining states that have NO opportunity for concealed carry. Our constitution DOES give us the right to bear arms for security and defense, but we have a statute that expressly forbids concealed carry. We have some Supreme Court judges up for election in April, which might change the view on the court, but as it stands now, the court will not declare the "NO CARRY" law unconstitutional. Further, we have a VERY liberal Governor who will NEVER sign a concealed carry bill. He is an EXTREME anti gun Democrat. In the fall election, the balance of power shifted in one of our state houses to Democrat control, so there will be NO concealed carry in Wisconsin any time soon (4 years at least).

My view of this particular case is that if this guy can get the backing of the gun lobby attorneys, this should go ALL the way to the State Supreme Court. Another pizza delivery guy (young promising college student) was killed early last year. This fella was robbed once before and shot that perp, and he DID have a reasonable expectation of being in danger, so this needs to be argued to the fullest.

The court has ruled two or three times now URGING the legislature to take action to rectify the discrepancy between the statute and the constitution. It is obvious to everyone in the state that the legislature cannot take any action because of the governor. So as more of these cases come before the court hopefully the court will rule that ten (10) years has been enough time for the legislature to act and that the court now needs to act and declare the current NO CARRY statute unconstitutional.

[DougMD]

Good points all. So you HAVE to deliver in that bad neigborhood or be sued out of business. And when you DO deliver there, you can't have a weapon with you to protect you from the low life animal thugs. Bottom line, you have to die or be mugged if you work for that pizza place. Liberal heaven!!!!!

[bnhcomputing]

Here is a link to a Jessica McBride radio show.
http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/talk/jessicamcbride/index.asp?id=125&entry=31157

There is a mp3 clip here http://media2.620wtmj.com/mcbride/pizza.mp3

where a LIBERAL says that Mr. Vegas should have given the perp the money and then BEGGED for his life.

It's no wonder why some cities in Wisconsin are seeing 19% crime increases with people like these going to the voting booth.

Give it a listen, and then you be the judge.