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Old 01-14-2007, 05:43 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON - President Bush, facing opposition from both parties over his plan to send more troops to Iraq, said he has the authority to act no matter Congress wants.
"œI fully understand they could try to stop me from doing it. But I"™ve made my decision. And we"™re going forward," Bush told CBS"™ "œ60 Minutes" in an interview to air Sunday night.
Vice President Dick Cheney asserted that lawmakers"™ criticism will not influence Bush"™s plans and he dismissed any effort to "œrun a war by committee."

Big question: Is the President free to do whatever he wants since we never officially declared war?
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Old 01-14-2007, 05:56 PM   #2
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I hope for all of our sakes he knows what he is doing. Declare war...hmmmm and who again were we supposed to be warring against. It wasn't Iraq. We were only interested in toppling Sadam, finding his WMD, and killing the members of the Bathe Party...Sadam's inner sanctum. We didn't have a beef with all the Kurds, Sunnis and Shiite. But today it is a different story. They are all shooting at us and importing people from neighboring countries to help. Now it is really a war.
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Old 01-14-2007, 06:00 PM   #3
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What we need now. Not lawmakers that bend thier decisions like reeds and mood of the country. All the country was all for the Iraq war. They can say, it was WMD, and all other crap, but we were arrogant. We wanted to kick some butt after 911. We made a commitment, and glad to see we are sticking to it.
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Old 01-14-2007, 06:13 PM   #4
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Big question: Is the President free to do whatever he wants since we never officially declared war?
Yes, he's the Commander-in-Chief. The checks and balances are intact. Bush can order the Pentagon to send more troops, and Congress can restrict the appropriations necessary to fund those deployments. I dare Congress to do it. We'll see who comes out on top in 2008.
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Old 01-14-2007, 06:32 PM   #5
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I dare Congress to do it.
You saying you'de like for something bad to happen just so the Repblicans can get a majority in Congress and retain the presidency?

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Old 01-14-2007, 06:38 PM   #6
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You saying you'de like for something bad to happen just so the Repblicans can get a majority in Congress and retain the presidency?

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I don't think anything "bad" will happen in the nextyear or two. If the money's not there, some troops will have to come home sooner. We can still get the job done, but it'll take longer, and that's something the Democrats have been railing against for a while now.

Frankly, I don't think they have the guts. And if they do, I guess they lack the brains to win a war.

Besides, in regard to the war, it really doesn't matter who's in power as long as they drop the politics crap and vanquish our enemies like they mean it. The slower we move today, the longer we'll be over there.

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Old 01-14-2007, 09:57 PM   #7
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Besides, in regard to the war, it really doesn't matter who's in power as long as they drop the politics crap and vanquish our enemies like they mean it.
That just sounds soooo good.

Explain how we'll "vanquish our enemies" in Iraq? Kill everyone? Kill just the Suni's? Just the Shiites? Anyone with loose fitting longish clothing?

Will the ING do it? If so, why haven't they done it a dozen or more months ago?

Will the Iraqi people suddenly begin cooperating? Whose politics needs to be "dropped?" Ours or theirs?

When you say "war," which war are you talking about? The war on terror or the war in Iraq? Are they one and the same to you?

The slower we move, the longer we'll be there? What should we speed up exactly? The killing? Of whom? Send in more troops? Then what? What will change? The Sunis? The Shiites? The ING? The hatred they have for each other? For us?

Would that it should be as simple as the way the words spill from your keystation, Six.

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Old 01-14-2007, 10:13 PM   #8
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That just sounds soooo good.
Yeah, it's a new pet word of mine.

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Explain how we'll "vanquish our enemies" in Iraq? Kill everyone? Kill just the Suni's? Just the Shiites? Anyone with loose fitting longish clothing?
No, the Iraqi government must find better managers, and they must enforce their authority over the rival factions blowing everything up over there. We certainly will need to do a lot more killing, but not just for its own sake. We have to stir the groups up and keep them disorderly, and more importantly, without financial and military resources.

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Will the ING do it? If so, why haven't they done it a dozen or more months ago?
They have some good combat units, but as a whole, they still need to get all the details in order, as well as finish training (what better training ground).

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Will the Iraqi people suddenly begin cooperating? Whose politics needs to be "dropped?" Ours or theirs?
Some will, some won't. I think most can be contained if the government steps up and acts like one.

Regarding politics here, I think we'll need to commit some level of troops to Iraq for many years to come. I think the situation will begin to stabilize in the next two years. Civil war happens, but it looks to me as though people are learning the hard lessons from the past few years and starting to fight differently. Strategy always needs to remain flexible, but keeping it so can obviously be difficult.

Anyway, pulling out will stir up all kinds of dreck in the region, and the option is for socialists. Whoever wants to lead Congress and the White House had better face reality and look at this situation with some objectivity. Perhaps, with luck, the competition between our two main parties will lead to nothing but benefit for everyone caught in this war.

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When you say "war," which war are you talking about? The war on terror or the war in Iraq? Are they one and the same to you?
Iraq's part of the war on terror. Besides us and the native ethnic factions, we have Iran and possibly Saudi Arabia involved in a international proxy war. That aside, it would bea waste of lives, time, and money to pull out after establishing such a strong presence. We need to get the situation calmed down so our guys aren't burning out with long tours. There's work to be done first, and that mean cracking down on militants, whoever they receive orders from.

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The slower we move, the longer we'll be there? What should we speed up exactly? The killing? Of whom? Send in more troops? Then what? What will change? The Sunis? The Shiites? The ING? The hatred they have for each other? For us?
Yes,more killing. Send in troops, raid, ambush, bomb, whatever. We have good battleground intel. Let's get some boots on the ground to nail it all down.

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Would that it should be as simple as the way the words spill from your keystation, Six.
I like to talk in metaphors. I'm too lazy to type out everything inmy head. And it would probably make some people wet their pants.
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Old 01-15-2007, 06:18 AM   #9
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Congress authorized the war and Bush is the boss. He is on the right track. IMO
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Old 01-15-2007, 06:30 AM   #10
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Ok more troops and this time when they wipe out the neighborhood hornets nest they will keep some troops there to prevent the return. Sounds like a plan to me. I wonder why nobody did that when we had 160,000+ troops there. Bush wants 21K additional troops to act like the silver bullet and fix the problem. John McCaingoes along with it (politically he is dead now) but says 21K troops aren't near enough. He lived through Viet Nam and knows you can't win a war fighting with one hand tied behind your back. It didn't work then and it won'tnow. So if the 21K troops go in there and the only thing that increases is the KIA...then what? Another plan thatwon't work out. Lack of a plan is what got us into this mess. We invaded against the UN wishes and after the regime was toppled many other nations wanted to take part in the rebuilding effort thus allowing us to get off the hot seat. We said no and pretty much did it alone with a small gathering of other nations who sent symbolic troops working under our command. Why was that? Were we afraid others were going to gain something like oil as a result of the rebuilding. It doesn't look like much rebuilding is going on not with bunker buster bombs still being dropped and troops crawling all over the country. You can't really rebuild until the bullets stop flying. Time to step back and tell the world we will accept all the help we can to rebuild the country and that includes some of the other Middle East Countries. Cut and run would certainly cause a civil war that would dwarf the genocide that Sadam caused. The world would forever blame us and that is why Bush is so adamant about staying the course. If it isn't too late get all the others who offered to help back in there top stabilize the country. Let them share in the spoils of war (oil). It is all there because we certainly haven"™t captured any of it. [:@]
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