Another Hmong trespassing while hunting in Wisconsin

[bnhcomputing]

APPLETON, Wis. (AP) -- A hunter accused of threatening a property owner last September reached a deferred prosecution agreement in a case that the defense says was blown out of proportion in the wake of the Chai Soua Vang murder case in northern Wisconsin. Chuetoua Lor, who allegedly pointed his gun at the other man's legs during the dispute, pleaded no contest Thursday to first-degree reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct.
Under the agreement, the endangerment charge will be dropped if Lor, 37, of Appleton, stays out of trouble for two years. He will serve a year probation on the disorderly conduct charge and loses his hunting privileges during that time.
His lawyer noted the charges came in the aftermath of the fatal shootings of six white hunters by another Hmong hunter, Vang, in Sawyer County during the November 2004 deer hunt. Vang, 38, of St. Paul, Minn., is serving multiple life terms on homicide charges, plus more prison time for wounding two others.
"People understand that this was really blown way out of proportion and was a knee-jerk reaction because of the other case," said Lor's lawyer Jeff Oswald.
The criminal complaint said Lor was hunting for small game in the town of Liberty when a homeowner confronted him after hearing a shot fired near his house. Lor told the man a neighboring property owner gave him permission to hunt there, but the landowner told Lor he was on his land and should leave, the complaint said.
The property owner went inside but heard another shot and confronted Lor again, according to the complaint. This time, the two argued, Lor pointed his gun at the man's legs and made him state that Lor was not a liar, the complaint said. Once the man did so, Lor allegedly made him walk backward to his house.
A manhunt ended when Lor was located at his home.
Assistant District Attorney Melinda Tempelis noted at Thursday's hearing that Lor has no prior criminal record. She said the victim and the victim's family felt the deferred prosecution agreement was appropriate.
Lor, a longtime Appleton resident, gave a statement, with his wife translating.
"It is a blessing from God to be living in this country and to receive this fair (treatment)," he said.
Former Appleton Mayor Dorothy Johnson has been among Lor's supporters and was with those surrounding him after he was sentenced.
"What happened was right," she said of the sentencing agreement.

Notice AGAIN, a trespasser not charged with trespassing. This will continue until Wisconsin makes it a mandatory felony for trespassing with a firearm.

[vc1111]

Bn, don't you think a felony charge is a bit much? I'm no fan of trespassing and I try to respect others rights at all times, but I've been guilty of it inintentionally a few times.

[kevin1]

VC , a person who points a gun at you is no longer just trespassing , he's threatening your safety . That surely deserves a felony charge , or possibly a round between the eyes , either would be appropriate .

[Lanse couche couche]

I suspect that there are a lot more details to this case that weren't reported. Otherwise, the guy wouldn't be getting what is essentially pre-trial diversion. I was probably technically guilty of tresspassing several times last week while hunting in Illinois. That's because I was in various areas where no one makes an effort to mark property lines. If someone gets in my face under those circumstances, I'll tell them that unless they have a GPS reading and an eyewitness, they can take their ass back home. Wouldn't point a gun though.

By the way, I believe that Hmongs are the mountain folks that the U.S. used against the VC and NVA in Vietnam. My father trained some of them in 1963. He said they were real badasses, but that doesn't excuse lawlessness here in the U.S.

[huskerdo]

ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche

I suspect that there are a lot more details to this case that weren't reported. Otherwise, the guy wouldn't be getting what is essentially pre-trial diversion. I was probably technically guilty of tresspassing several times last week while hunting in Illinois. That's because I was in various areas where no one makes an effort to mark property lines. If someone gets in my face under those circumstances, I'll tell them that unless they have a GPS reading and an eyewitness, they can take their ass back home. Wouldn't point a gun though.

By the way, I believe that Hmongs are the mountain folks that the U.S. used against the VC and NVA in Vietnam. My father trained some of them in 1963. He said they were real badasses, but that doesn't excuse lawlessness here in the U.S.

Agreed with the above. Plus you figure the man who confronted him prob looked like a giant to that little man. If I was confronted by a man that was 4 times my size and looked like he could through me around like a rag doll. Damn right I am goanna level the intimidation with what is at hand. He didn't point the gun at his chest where it would kill him. But was protecting himself with the least amount of damage he could of done to that person. I know some Hmongs. They are very nice people. Maybe this could of been a prejudice thing. If you don't want no tresspassing on your property,Then put signs up.

[Lanse couche couche]

Well, I don't have a problem with a landowner not having posted signs on his property. But folks (who will likely be piling on me within the next few hours), get real. You have to have your property clearly marked if you hope to demonstrate to someone that they are guilty of tresspass. Otherwise, it can turn into a case of "he said, she said." By the way, the reason I am so vocal in this manner is because in the few instances that I know about where there was an issue of tresspass, it was the landowner who was flat out wrong about the property boundaries.

[Alsatian]

vc1111: innocent trespassing went off the table after notice was given by the landowner that the guy was trespassing. I think if I lived in this neck of the woods where this kind of trouble goes on that I would confront trespassers fully armed -- maybe a shotgun with buckshot and a pistol. I'm all for peaceful resolutions of conflicts, but if I am a landowner I'm going to stand up for my rights. Being ordered at gun point to withdraw to my home by a trespasser poaching on my property would elevate my blood pressure. I want to tone that down a bit. I won't shoot the occarional dog on my deer hunting ground because I think some kid will be awfully sad to lose their pet dog, and we are just talking about deer (I'm not a trophy hunter with several thousand dollars tied up in a special deer lease). By the same token, I would not want to have a death on my mind with a child growing up without a dad. I'm thinking more about not being forced to withdraw on my own land and not being defenseless.

[motrin]

Lanse Read it again ,he was asked to leave once but instead of avoiding a problem he not only stayed but continued to shoot also!

As a land owner I am not sure my second approach would of been as easily ignored!

Am I seeing a pattern with these people?

[Canuck_Buck]

This moron was there to stir up trouble.

Up here we have regulations with respect to proximity to buildings and residences when hunting or carrying a firearm.

Do landowners there not speak to each other about hunting and who is where and when ?

Did this moron not get an explanation of the property lines?
He's guilty just by the fact he was confrontational when questioned.

" I was not trespassing, I was hunting " .......I can just hear it now...

...this kind of crap is a 7 year ban on hunting up here, mega fines and jail for repeat offenders.

That Chia Pet Wang dude is gonna hang soon, right?

Do you have a link to this article ?

[BenGarrett]

ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche

You have to have your property clearly marked if you hope to demonstrate to someone that they are guilty of tresspass.

It is the hunter's responsibility to know where the property lines fall, not the landowner's. If the hunter is hunting his own property, he'd better darned well know where the lines run. And if a hunter is on someone else's property, he should be informed by that person where the lines run.

I've dealt with trespassers before and have always just asked them to leave. If you were on my property and took that attitude ("I'll tell them that unless they have a GPS reading and an eyewitness, they can take their ass back home"), I guarantee that you'd be prosecuted. And in Tennessee, I'd win.

Anyone, Hmong or not, who is on someone else's property and points a gun at the property owner who tells them to leave had better be prepared to use it!