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Old 12-12-2006, 07:42 PM   #1
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Among the 67 participants from 30 countries, who included some of Europe's most prominent Holocaust deniers, were two rabbis and four other members of the fringe group Jews United Against Zionism.

They were dressed in the traditional long black coats and black hats of ultra-Orthodox Jews. The group says the creation of the state of Israel violates Jewish law and argues that the Holocaust should not be used to justify its founding.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236014,00.html

TEHRAN, Iran"” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's conference questioning the Holocaust came to an end Tuesday, but not before hearing former KKK Imperial Wizard David Duke say that gas chambers were not used to kill Jews.

"The Zionists have used the Holocaust as a weapon to deny the rights of the Palestinians and cover up the crimes of Israel," Duke told a gathering of nearly 70 "researchers" in Tehran at Ahmadinejad's invitation.

...ok forgive my ignorance on the subject, but is this Zionist thing a jewish fundamentalist extremist group?Are all Israeli's jews Zionist?



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Old 12-12-2006, 08:38 PM   #2
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What holocaust?
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:21 PM   #3
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Iran: Israel to be 'wiped out'




Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday told delegates at an international conference questioning the Holocaust that Israel's days were numbered.

"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out," he said.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:46 PM   #4
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What I find amusing about this story is an issue about free speech. Europeans who raise any questions about the holocaust or even numbers involved in the holocaust are locked have been and will be locked away for a long time. Iran, notorious for having the reputation of being ruled with an iron fist encourages such dialog and europeans travelled to Iran to discuss their ideas.

My take is that Europeans are idiots (duh). If you supress a form of speech its usually because you fear that there might be some truth to it that may dislodge your world view. European governments only add more credence to the holocaust naysayers point of view by banning the mere discussion of it unless the discussion fits the model of what the government endorses.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:15 PM   #5
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I hear ya Briman, it took balls to hold a conference like this to talk about it...you're right it has always been a forbidden subject it seems...this Iranian Leader is full of surprises.
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I think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's days are numbered, when Israel's had enough, he's going to regret all of this.
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And about the, "Wipe Israel off the map" remark, he doesn't mean with nuclear weapons or military aggression, look at the context in which he has made these statements, he beleives that Hezbollah is going to take over the government in Israel. And, according to him, it will start with the defeat of the U.S. in Iraq. It all seems like a movie, to me.
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More tough talk from Iran, if they honestly want to brag about how Israel's days are numbered, then I believe they would have done whatever they brag so much about, already, they are nothing but talk, like the bully at school.
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Old 12-13-2006, 08:15 AM   #9
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I gathered that Iran's Leader was referring to Israel's Zionist's will decline and eventually fade out by their own doing and that Hezbollah, Hamas etc are just defending themselves...who is the aggressor?

If Iran, Syria equate the USA with Zionist Israel, then that would explain the insurgency in Iraq...

let's see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

There's Jewish Zionism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

and there's Christian Zionism

Zionism should be distinguished from Territorialism which was a Jewish nationalist movement calling for a Jewish homeland, but not necessarily in Palestine.

The underlying conflict is over Palestine and it's actualboundaries.

According to the Muslim fundamentalists, Modern day Palestine is but a fraction of the size of what is once was with Israel.




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Shhhhhh, dont tell someone who lived in the concentration camps. They are kinda sold to the lie.
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