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Old 12-11-2006, 11:50 PM   #1
 
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Default Outsourcing Bonanza: Vietnamese Trade Normalization

On Friday, December 8th, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 6406, by a vote of 212-184 This bill allows for "normalization" of trade with Vietnam.

This new "permanent normalization of trade relations" (PNTR) with Vietnam is the first step in opening up their labor market to exploitation by Corporate America and to the outsourcing of American jobs to Vietnam.

What are the relative "benefits" to the United States? It allegedly opens up the Vietnamese "consumer" market to American goods. However, the benefit of such market opening is minuscule. The exchange traded value of Vietnam's entire GDP is only $43 billion. (See Vietnam: CIA assessment ) This is approximately 3/100ths of a percent of U.S. GDP. To put it another way, if Vietnam's entire GDP was spent on American imports, it would raise U.S. GDP .03%. So a U.S. GDP growth of 2.20% would rise to 2.23%. Again, this is assuming ALL of Vietnam's GDP was spent on American goods, which is certainly not going to happen. Vietnam's Exchange Rate per capita GDP is only $521/year. {Vietnam's Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) per capita GDP is listed as $2800. By converting this to an exchange rate value this becomes a per capita income of only $521/year. It's the Exchange Rate income that is important here, because this measures the ability to purchase American imports.} Given these numbers it's very unlikely that we can sell significant U.S production to Vietnamese consumers.

What's the downside? Vietnam has a labor force of 43 million workers. Once Vietnam is opened up to investment by Corporate America, this could become a virtual addition of 43 million workers to America's 152 million participating labor force. If Corporate America replaced 43 million American workers ( averaging $17/hour ) with 43 million Vietnamese workers, it would reduce American labor & consumer income by $1.52 trillion.

(43 million X $17/hr. X 8 hrs./day X 365 days/yr. X 5 days/wk divided by 7 days/week = $1.52 trillion. )

This would also reduce American consumer spending power by $1.52 trillion dollars. A decline in consumer spending by that $1.52 trillion, subtracted directly from our $13 trillion GDP, would amount to a direct decline in our GDP of almost 12%. (Applying any multiplier would drop our GDP far more than 12%) Of course, we could "gain" that whopping 0.03% in GDP from selling our exports to Vietnam.

These are theoretical calculations only, designed to show the magnitude of relative benefits vs. costs to Americans from "normalization" of trade with Vietnam. While Corporate America is not likely to hire all 43 million Vietnamese workers, it's clear that the potential loss to our economy is much greater than the potential gain. We'll gain an almost non-existent consumer market from Vietnam, while adding a virtual 43 million workers to America's labor pool. And the direct loss of jobs is only the measurable effect. The decline in American wages from the supply & demand effect of competition with another 43 million impoverished workers hasn't been calculated. Clearly this would decrease American wages and labor income MUCH more than just $1.52 trillion.

To the majority of Americans, permanent normalization of trade with Vietnam is exclusively negative. Once again, it'll put American workers (and their wages) in direct competition with impoverished 3rd world workers.

Clearly the goal here is not to open up the Vietnamese consumer market to American goods. The goal is to open up the Vietnamese labor market to American Multinational Corporations. The true goal is to replace even more American workers with easily exploitable semi-slave laborers of another impoverished country. It'll be another disaster for American workers, and another windfall profit gain for rich Globalist Corporations.

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Old 12-12-2006, 12:45 AM   #2
 
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I'm with you in that I don't see the export possibilities really booming, & they are definitely a 3rd world country with de-facto slave labor readily available. I believe in trade that is both free and fair.
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:33 AM   #3
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Yeah, the millions of Americans trying to get minimum wage jobs sewing shoes and clothes together will be very upset over this.

Give me a break. America is in the early stages of the next big economic shift, one dominated byknowledge based business. Sorry, folks, we can't all do the same menial jobs forever. It's time to work smarter, not harder. Go to school and get that brain in shape, or else you'll end up like aVietnamese peasant doing crap work for crap pay.
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Old 12-12-2006, 07:06 AM   #4
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It would not take much room on a blackboard to write down what our government has learnes from NAFTA.[:@]
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:15 AM   #5
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Yeah, the millions of Americans trying to get minimum wage jobs sewing shoes and clothes together will be very upset over this.

Give me a break. America is in the early stages of the next big economic shift, one dominated byknowledge based business. Sorry, folks, we can't all do the same menial jobs forever. It's time to work smarter, not harder. Go to school and get that brain in shape, or else you'll end up like aVietnamese peasant doing crap work for crap pay.
I agree with Aught on this about educating our work force. And this outlook on people working smarter is good,but the only part of the equation that is missed by the outsourcing crowd is what are we going to do with the menial people that live on these jobs ?
We are not all equal when it comes to gray matter. Some are born with just menial is a high goal for themselves to achieve.
Not all have the I.Q.'s to follow a path leading to a secondary eductionand a for filling jobwith financial success.
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:56 AM   #6
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We still need entry level jobs for younger workers. Not everybody is going to start working with a college degree or some high paying job skill.
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We still need entry level jobs for younger workers. Not everybody is going to start working with a college degree or some high paying job skill.
Greg you are right ,I didn't even look at entry level jobs and summer jobs for college kids,We can't continue to lose jobs at the rate we are.
America has become the greatest nation on earth because everyone could earn a living ,buy a home and raise a family,those goals are becoming beyond reach for to many.
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Sorry, we can't throw money down a hole just so the unskilled have some place to work. Get skills or work in retail. There will always be plenty of cashier,food service, and domestic labor positionsout there. If that's just not glamorous enough for some people, then it's up to them to find better.
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You can't outsource a Big Mac with fries , and I hear the managers make pretty good loot .
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What does America gain by putting under achievers out of work?

More social bills to be payed ? Under achieving children? Uninsured Health care costs?

It seems to me are giving up allot so we can go to Wal -mart and buy poorly produced products at a price that does not support these loses.
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