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Old 12-01-2006, 06:29 AM   #1
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[link]http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/11/28/america,_not_keith_ellison,_decides_what_book_a_co ngressman_takes_his_oath_on[/link]

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Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.
Well, isn't that cute. This to me further promotes tearing the inner fabric of values apart for which this country was founded and stands upon (or used to anyway).

This is just flat out wrong, IMO. Yours?
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Old 12-01-2006, 06:37 AM   #2
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You really think that the average politician takes the oath of office on the Bible seriously?

I don't care what religion anyone is, so long as they uphold the Constitution. Yep, some of the early colonists were pretty religious, and some of the Founding Fathers were as well. But while religion may define some of America's citizens, it does not define America.
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Old 12-01-2006, 06:56 AM   #3
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You really think that the average politician takes the oath of office on the Bible seriously?
No, probably not. But, they should take the appointment of office seriously - according to the beliefs, values, and means by which the appointment exists in the first place. It's like trying to change the national language to Spanish.


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I don't care what religion anyone is, so long as they uphold the Constitution.Â*
While we see all walks of politicians not wanting to uphold the Constitution, I really do not see how a Muslim can agree or uphold any part of it, espcially considering their swearing in provides us great detail as to where they stand with American tradition and value.



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Yep, some of the early colonists were pretty religious, and some of the Founding Fathers were as well.Â* But while religion may define some of America's citizens, it does not define America.
America was built on certain freedoms including the freedom of worship, yes, but America was also built by being blessed by God.
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You force a Muslim to take the oath of office on the Christian Bible, and you've violated his constitutional right to freedom of religion. I think it stinks, too. But if you make an issue of this, you're essentially saying that the right to religious freedom is a right you're willing to throw to the wayside in precident. Christians will not always be the religious majority in this country, so is that a precident we really want to set?
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Old 12-01-2006, 07:18 AM   #5
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No, probably not. But, they should take the appointment of office seriously - according to the beliefs, values, and means by which the appointment exists in the first place. It's like trying to change the national language to Spanish.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Politics is a game, much like business, in many people's eyes. I would wager that most parties involved in either are not referencing their Bibles before getting to work, but focusing on the world around them, you know...reality?

What matter most in this republic is not whether a politician swears on the Bible, but whether or not Americans can and do choose their elected officials. This Muslim was democratically elected according to law, so debating his religion now is a moot point.

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While we see all walks of politicians not wanting to uphold the Constitution, I really do not see how a Muslim can agree or uphold any part of it, espcially considering their swearing in provides us great detail as to where they stand with American tradition and value.
Trust, me, a politician who puts the Judeo-Christian God above his country's libertyis no different from the Muslim who does the same thing. Judge each person individually according to his/her words and actions, not his/her religion.

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America was built on certain freedoms including the freedom of worship, yes, but America was also built by being blessed by God.
Funny, I can't find any mention of "America" or "USA" in the New Testament. Perhaps you're referencing the Book of Mormon?
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You really think that the average politician takes the oath of office on the Bible seriously?

I don't care what religion anyone is, so long as they uphold the Constitution. Yep, some of the early colonists were pretty religious, and some of the Founding Fathers were as well. But while religion may define some of America's citizens, it does not define America.
Your right in alot of ways. But also it was the belief in Christ that I believe has made us the great nation we are today. I believe we had Christ's blessing when we were a moral country built on hard work and family. Today, our country is built on pure greed and sexual immorality. Today, most of America has made themselves, thier own god. In the next few weeks, watch the average family scampering around buying and coveting, see how much effort they put into Christ and how much effort they put into buying gifts.

The oath on the Bible was a symbol, taken serious or not. Just one more nail in our coffin, this is.
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I dont like it, but like Ben said, it is his freedom of religion. The people spoke and voted him into office, so its his right to take an oath on the script he believes. Besides, would the oath mean anything to him when swore upon a text he doesnt believe in?

Like I said, I dont like it, but I dont have to. Its his right. I would refuse to take an oath on a Koraen.


Agian, its freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
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I see it as absolutely appropriate that the man wants to take the oath according to his personal religious beliefs.

That's one of America's founding principles, religious freedom.

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Crap. I agree with Ifferd. Someone needs to turn up the thermostat in hell... It must be awfully cold down there.

Point of curiosity though... Don't the Christian, Jewish and Muslim faiths all believe in the same God, just different ways of getting there?
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go to a Muslim country and take an office and try to lay oath using the Bible instead of the Koran and you'd be beheaded for it
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