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Old 11-16-2006, 06:03 PM   #1
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Gay animals out of the closet?
First-ever museum display shows 51 species exhibiting homosexuality[/align]
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Updated: 3:46 p.m. ET Nov 16, 2006[/align][/align]
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[/align]From male killer whales that ride the dorsal fin of another male to female bonobos that rub their genitals together, the animal kingdom tolerates all kinds of lifestyles.
A first-ever museum display, "Against Nature?," which opened last month at the University of Oslo's Natural History Museum in Norway, presents 51 species of animals exhibiting homosexuality.
"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them," said Petter Bockman, project coordinator of the exhibition.
The idea, however, is rarely discussed in the scientific community and is often dismissed as unnatural because it doesn't appear to benefit the larger cause of species continuation.

"I think to some extent people don't think it's important because we went through all this time period in sociobiology where everything had to be tied to reproduction and reproductive success," said Linda Wolfe, who heads the Department of Anthropology at East Carolina University. "If it doesn't have [something to do] with reproduction it's not important."
For pleasure
However, species continuation may not always be the ultimate goal, as many animals, including humans, engage in sexual activities more than is necessary for reproduction.
"You can make up all kinds of stories: Oh it's for dominance, it's for this, it's for that, but when it comes down to the bottom I think it's just for sexual pleasure," Wolfe told LiveScience.
Conversely, some argue that homosexual sex could have a bigger natural cause than just pure pleasure: namely evolutionary benefits.
Copulation could be used for alliance and protection among animals of the same sex. In situations when a species is mostly bisexual, homosexual relationships allow an animal to join a pack.
"In bonobos for instance, strict heterosexual individuals would not be able to make friends in the flock and thus never be able to breed," Bockman told LiveScience. "In some bird species that bond for life, homosexual pairs raise young. If they are females, a male may fertilize their eggs. If they are males, a solitary female may mate with them and deposit her eggs in their nest."
Mom and Dad and Dad
Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own.

"Homosexuality" and "heterosexuality" are terms defined by societal boundaries, invisible in the animal kingdom.
"Many species are hermaphrodites," Bockman said. Hermaphrodites have both male and female sex organs. A lot of marine species have no sex life at all, but just squirt their eggs or semen into sea.
Some creatures even reproduce asexually, by dividing themselves into two organisms. In one species of gecko, females clone themselves.
Like most complex issues, animal homosexuality is challenging and poorly understood. Therefore, educators tend to shy away from covering it in their teaching. Many scientists don't even want to be associated with this type of research.
"I've had primatologists offer to give me their data on homosexual behavior because they didn't want to publish it," Wolfe said.
"Against Nature?" was set up partly to demystify the concept.
The argument that a homosexual way of living cannot be accepted because it is against the "laws of nature" can now be rejected scientifically, said Geir Soli, project leader for the exhibition. "A main target for this project was to get museums involved in current debate; to show that museums are more than just a gallery for the past."
To learn more, see LiveScience's Top 10 presentation, Gay Animals: Alternate Lifestyles in the Wild.
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Of course, it makes perfect sense. Homosexuality occurs in nature, that means that it is not against the "laws of nature" and therefore we should accept it.

Some animals have homosexual tendencies. What's the big news about that?

Of course, animals inbreed without reservation and eat their own young.

Hell, it's natural. It obviously doesn't defy the laws of nature. So I expect no opposition to legalizing incest and allowing mothers to eat their babies.

Of all the arguments for why homosexuality is okay, the "animals do it" argument has to be the silliest. The animals do it, so we can do it, too! How absurd. Animals eat their own poop. Hey, don't be afraid to pluck that turd out of the toilet. The animals do it, after all!! Hungry? Why wait?

I've rarely seen a male dog that won't hump one's leg when given half a chance.

You mind if I hump your leg, Charlie? The animals do it, after all.
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:41 PM   #3
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Of course, it makes perfect sense. Homosexuality occurs in nature, that means that it is not against the "laws of nature" and therefore we should accept it.

Some animals have homosexual tendencies. What's the big news about that?

Of course, animals inbreed without reservation and eat their own young.

Hell, it's natural. It obviously doesn't defy the laws of nature. So I expect no opposition to legalizing incest and allowing mothers to eat their babies.

Of all the arguments for why homosexuality is okay, the "animals do it" argument has to be the silliest. The animals do it, so we can do it, too! How absurd. Animals eat their own poop. Hey, don't be afraid to pluck that turd out of the toilet. The animals do it, after all!! Hungry? Why wait?

I've rarely seen a male dog that won't hump one's leg when given half a chance.

You mind if I hump your leg, Charlie? The animals do it, after all.
I think you broke him Ben. Pretty good.
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This is just the sort of "permission" I've been looking for! I'm gonna go sleep with my sister and eat my youngest son! Whoopee!

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Ben, is there something your not telling us
Hey brother, it's cool. The animals do it!
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Although the song isn't about critters, it still reminds me of a Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show song "Makin' it Natural".

If some people want to put themselves on the same level as animals, I guess that's their perrogative. I personallydon't have any plans to roll in roadkill or sniffbutts/genitals or try to beat up the neighbors so I can mate with their wives, etc.

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Default RE: I thought there were no homosexual animals

I think the point of this argument isn't that "If animals do it, then it's natural for humans..."

I Believe that groups against homosexuality have used the absence of homosexuality in animals as a sign that homosexuality is unnatural, and this article rebuts that.

Maybe I'm wrong, that's just my take on it. The point to me is that animals don't love each other (I guess if you are a peta member you believe animals have human emotions), so whatever their behavior, it is not homosexuality -- unless homosexuals want to admit they don't really love the same gender, but I don't see that as a concession thaey will make.

So to me, the whole animal/person comparison is moot. (Not mute, by the way. Mute means not being able to speak. Moot means pointless.)
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Although the song isn't about critters, it still reminds me of a Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show song "Makin' it Natural".

If some people want to put themselves on the same level as animals, I guess that's their prerogative. I personallydon't have any plans to roll in roadkill or sniffbutts/genitals or try to beat up the neighbors so I can mate with their wives, etc.

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