Just took this quote and a link from Blake Gurley in another post.I wanted to start a new post because this is getting way off topic in the original one.
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Canned hunting? I had to look it up. Maybe I got the definition wrong, but if I didn't, I think that "canned hunting is different from regular hunting in a number of ways "(http://www.satyamag.com/may99/sat.58.canned.html") It should be illegal, if it's not! I had no idea these things even existed. Ihave said before that I think humans ought to be allowed only to hunt in open fields with a sharp stick - not a fenced in area. This is terrible, canned hunting
Did anyone else actually read this artical and its definition of canned hunting?Just a few of my favorite parts.
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Canned hunting is different from regular hunting in a number of ways. First, the "preserve" is fenced in so that the "target animals" have little chance of avoiding or fleeing from hunters. Second, specific animals are released to accommodate the hunter"s taste. Third, hunting methods and weapon regulations do not apply on these privately owned lands. Therefore, victims can be stabbed, speared, strangled, stomped, or shot with bullets or arrows. One report came to our organization [Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting (CASH)], of a pig that was stabbed hundreds of times by a hunting party.
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No doubt based on experience with hunters who were lousy shots, canned hunt operators now include warnings that there will be a full charge for wounded and lost game. Operators now ask that killers take away any animals they cripple (see <www.bedford-pa.com/fish-gro/hunting.htm> for more details). While it seems hard to miss an animal at ranges extending from three feet to 35 yards"the range advertised by these businesses"it obviously happens far too often. Once the animal dies"often after multiple wounds"the canned hunt club will either field-dress or stuff the "trophy" for the hunter"s mantle piece. Sometimes the club will exchange the killed animal for a pre-dressed animal that"s "ready to go."
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One hunter, Sonny Milstead, an orthopedic surgeon from Shreveport, Louisiana, killed a lion with three shots. He followed that by killing a tiger with another three or four shots. The animals shot were not at all wary or alert to any danger, and were relaxing and resting before being killed. "In fact," writes Williams, "before being "harvested," African lions raised as pets would amble over and lick your hands." Williams tells of one hunter who had paid $10,500 to kill a leopard, a cougar and a Bengal Tiger. Unfortunately, Williams continues, "before the tiger left its cage, [the hunter] fainted and had to be taken back to the ranch to be revived." Williams says that tigers, leopards, cougars and jaguars are often fed chicken to make them less aggressive just before they are to be shot. Some of them become reluctant to leave their cages, so are shot while still in them.
Now imagine in the case of Blake, someone jokingly asks him his views on canned hunts.Hes not sure what they are so he does a quick search and reads that artical on the subject.They hone in on the very, very worst canned hunting has to offer but pass it off as common practice for hunters to cripple and wound caged animals, multiple times, that are to tame and full of chicken to come out of its cage at times.They mention pre made mounts that are "ready to go", animals so tame theyll lick your hands before you shoot them, and enormous price tags to kill these animals.Not being familiar with the wide range and complexity of the issues a non hunter forms his opinion of hunting from reading garbage like this{not saying Blake did he seemed to keep an open mind}.
How often you suppose this happens?Non hunters forming opinions of hunting based on reading articals based of unethical and often borderline illegal activities performed by a very very small percentage of people that associate themselves with hunting.It bothered me someone would read this garbage and then post it as a definition of a canned hunt when what was portrayed is veryuncommon as far as canned hunts go.Any thoughts on how the non hunting public percieves hunters as a result of garbage like this?
I find hunting with cans the closest one can get to true canned hunting...Ireviewed different sizes,type of contents and distance obtained and found that the small can of whole peas held it's own in performance with the small can of diced carrots.
I did however find a significant difference in the trajectory and distance when comparing the whole peas to the split, chick and puree peas.
I give two thumbs up for canned whole peas for hunting !
I find hunting with cans the closest one can get to true canned hunting...Ireviewed different sizes,type of contents and distance obtained and found that the small can of whole peas held it's own in performance with the small can of diced carrots.
I did however find a significant difference in the trajectory and distance when comparing the whole peas to the split, chick and puree peas.
I give two thumbs up for canned whole peas for hunting !
I prefer the canned whole kernal corn,not the cream style...Don't get me wrong here,,The cream style is good for out to 25yrds but any game further than that you need the whole kernal corn....It has more weight and seams to hold together alot better...The peas was ment for deer and smaller type animals,but I would never use it on elk or larger game,To much of a chance of only wounding the larger animals...
Well, I tried canned hunting, and that stupid freakin can is only good at doing one thing, scaring away deer!!! I had a nice little 6 point just out of bow range at 60 yards, lickin on branches, and hit that can, and you would have thought I shot that deer, he was out of thier so quick.
If the author of the article in the link had a few more facts straight, I might find him a little more credible. Canned hunts are believed mostly to exist in Texas, and he fails to mention canned hunting is illegal in Texas and has been for some time.
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Peter Muller is Chair of the Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting (CASH), a Division of Wildlife Watch, Inc. CASH can be reached at P.O.Box 562, New Paltz, NY 12561. Tel.: 914-255-4227; Fax: 914-256-9113; Website: http://all-creatures. org/cash, Email: Wildwatch @worldnet. att.net
This guy is definetly an unbiased observer.
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Most of the non-hunters I've spoken with where the subject of canned slaughter came up were just as opposed to it as many of us are , and the majority of them viewed us in either a favorable light or had no problems with us . It's not a subject that I like to bring up personally , so the few occasions when it has I've been careful to distance us from it as much as possible .
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What does everyone here consider a canned hunt? Obviously most of us would say shooting a decrepit old lion from three feet away after he has been pushed out of a crate is a canned hunt, but it's not always that simple.
How about a pheasant hunt? Almost all the pheasant hunts I know of involve birds that are raised in captivity and then released specifically to be shot (although sometimes you accidently shoot a campaign contributer in the face instead, but that's neither here nor there). Is that a canned hunt? Does it matter if it is on a private, fenced piece of property?
How about the same scenario with boars - maybe they aren't farm raised in a traditional way, but many of them are free range farm raised in the sense that they are in huge fenced in areas of land. Is that a canned hunt?
I don't like the idea of the types of canned hunts listed in that article (whether they even exist or not I don't know), but I wonder where everyone draws the line.
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I am a non-hunter, although I grew up around hunters all my life and now work for a company that manufactures hunting products. I've never been anti-hunting, was mostly apathetic pro hunting until I started my current job. Since then I've learned a lot from talking to hunters in person, working with hunting organizations and spending time on forums like these.
I'm not sure where you draw the line on what constitutes a canned hunt or not. I would say, in my opinion, if the animal hasa fighting chance to escape than it is not a canned hunt. But that's just my opinion.
But, again, what constitutes "chance to escape?" How big a fenced in area are we talking? 10 acres? 10,000 acres? How about an island (I know deer and many animals can actually swim of an island that isn't too far from land, but work with me here)?
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As I said, not a hunter, so I guess I'd have to ask, how much land does an animal need to hide? 10 acres seems like a lot of area to me, 10,000 acres seems like it would leave a lot of places for an animal to hide.
Maybe this is a case of I know what I think a canned hunt is when I see it. Anything that guarantees a kill seems to me to be a canned hunt. But again, that's just my opinion.
How nonhunters view canned hunts
