(Fixed the pic. Please disregard the technically unsavy problems I was imagining earlier.)
And the numbers for Oct. 06 are even higher than those for August.
So how are things getting better when fatal bombings are on the increase and all Baghdad checkpoints manned by US troops have been removed?Stay the course is a failed policy.
Lots of pissed off people. Pissed off because they live in a litter box and are mindless enough to follow zelics.
I hate to admitt it but I think the only action we can pursue is a withdrawal of our troops and let the Iraqis have it. They want it, they got it. we clearly can't slow the violence even after almost 4 years on the ground - the data prove its getting worse. I don't think an overnight bailout is right but we could draw down in stages starting now. That's a better plan I think than just "wait and see" which is what we are now doing, and that is ceratinly no plan.
I am continually amazed that Iraq is the focus of the POTUS. Why not talk about the Afghanistan opperationwhich everyone supported - and still supports? I think it is to keep the country divided for political reasons. They don't want the people to unite behind a common cause that all agree on, like 9-11 and the resulting, and justified, invasion of Afghanistan (dem and rep support this even now)- NATO even agreed with us on that one even with all the ceratainpacifist members in Europe. Iraq is an unjustafiable side show that divides America and divided our forces that should have been fighting Al Qaida where it lived and still lives, Afghanistan. The 'decider' is now the 'divider'.
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It would be nice if we could leave, but I dont see it plausible. If we did, we would not be turning over to Iraq, we would be turning it over to Iran and Syria. They know it and are instrumental in keeping things stired up. They want us out, so they keep stirring the pot. In all actuality, we need to keep our foot in Iraq just like we have in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
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Running away would besurrenduring to the insurgents, which would only encourage and bolster them. Even with our troops not having lost a battle there, they are still trying to commit acts of terror--like the recently foiled airline hijack. If our troops are removed, the war will become much larger, and probably a lot closer to home.
Anyone is the South can relate to this analogy--the insurgents are like fireants. Keep beating them back as best you can, but it seems like a never-ending battle. You can't just give up and let them take over though. When you give up, you loose, period.
It would help, in my opinion, if idiotic policies such as treating the prisoners better than our soldiers, giving them U.S. Constitutional rights, putting massive restrictions on our soldiers concerning rules of engagement, etc. were thrown out the window. We've had at least one soldier brought to trial for shooting the enemy for crying out loud! This is an enemy that has no rules, no standards, no ethics--an enemy that relies on booby traps, suicide bombers, using women and children as human sheilds, etc.--and our own get put on trial for defending the lives of themselves and their fellow soldiers? It's flat out stupid, and it's for the most part partisan politics. Yes, I said partisan. Which party has said that Saddam's torture room was open for business again, just under U.S. management? Who has referred to our troops as stupid, muderers, rapists, etc.? Who refers them to the Gulag, army of Gengis Kahn, etc.?
If the politicians would get off their butts and quit worrying about elections and start trying to win the war instead of trying to further restrict the rights our troops, trying to restrict funding the war, trying to restrict spying on the enemy,and trying tofind anything to bring on an impeachment trial, it would be over a lot sooner and victory would be ours. I don't see the politicians being anything other than politicians though, at least for the most part.
Stay the course, to me, doesn't mean stick to one plan whether it works or not. That would be stupid, and anyone who has ever served knows better. You don't even have to have military service to understand if one way isn't working, try something else.
Stay the course, to me, means don't give up on your goal. If you have to change paths, it doesn't mean your destination has changed. We canfight now, or we will pay later.
Chad
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
The Iraqi president orderedall UScheck points removed in Baghdad, and we complied. Will that action reverse the data I posted?
I don't think the situation over there is due to politicians back home LBR, dem or rep. Bush says commanders on the ground are making the calls, not the senate or the house. I think he's only vetoed one bill, unrelated to the war, so the situation is what Bush has made it for good or ill, can't blame the American people or congress for that. The buck stops here and Bush is responsible for the graph I posted, if not, he'll never take responsibility for anything. Blaming someone else for his problems seems like liberal whining to me. Things go right, and he wants the credit, things go bad and he wants to blame others. That dog don't hunt round here.
I really don't know what removal of the check points will do.
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I don't think the situation over there is due to politicians back home LBR,
Can you deny any of the things I posted, or deny that they hurt our efforts?
Who gets the "blame" and who gets the "credit" is not my concern. The fact of the matter is pulling out before acheiving the goal is surrendering, and says that all the sacrifices our troops have made are worthless. The fact of the matter is we cannot win by quitting. The fact of the matter is that the enemy will only gain confidence and claim victory if we quit, and they WILL NOT quit. How long before another 9/11 or worse? Is that what it's going to take?
Bush is going to get the blame from some regardless if Iraq was completed, all the soldiers came home today, the wounded healed and the dead resurrected. Oh well. As far as the war goes I could care less if Bill Clinton was back in office, as long as the fight was finished and the goal acheived.
I don't know how reliable the souces are, but there are reports of the Muslim community that supportsthe insurgentsstrongly support the Democratic party, because for the most part they want to get out now. Do you think the insurgents will be anything other than elated if our troops are withdrawn before victory is achieved?
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
It's getting better? Stay the course?
