RE: Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
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There are 1000's of envitro stem cells in liquid N2 storage at fertility clinicsthat can't be usedfor this research and will be trashed someday - because certain folks want to block their use for political gain. Shameless.
They'd rather the cells be thrown in the dumpster than used to further scientific knowledge.
Is that correct? Or is the question one of whether the research should be privately or federally funded?
RE: Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
I was listening to some commentary on Mizzouri (???) Issue 2. The "fine print" of it actually legalizes cloning. The technology used on Dolly the sheep(do you remember her?)can be applies to human eggs. Not only that, it makes a constitutional right that any woman can sell her eggs for the purpose of cloning.
The source of funding behind the issue is a couple of bio-chem companies. So, instead of an amendment freeing up the use of existing embryos, we have an over the top amendment written by the biochem industry.
I'm SURE MJ Fox doesn't support cloning, but he's forced to support the only issue that helps his cause.
(Please don't slam me if I'm wrong on some of the facts -- correct them if you know them. I'm just recalling a news show from last night)
RE: Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
Just some comments....
MJFox has entered the political arena. Nobody should be surprised at what happens...my understanding is that he espouses embryonic stem cell research, and HAS ENDORSED CERTAIN POLITICAL CANDIDATES. He gets what he deserves, regardless of his afflictions because when you fling
poop into a whirling fan, you should not be surprised when you get splashed.
Embryonic stem cell research was supposed to be the ultimate medical curative technology. There have been no results. The results have been obtained using ADULT stem cells, so I believe it's correct to fund what's producing results. I believe the outcry for PUBLICLY FUNDED embryonic stem cell research is due to private funding for this research drying up.
RE: Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
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Embryonic stem cell research was supposed to be the ultimate medical curative technology. There have been no results. The results have been obtained using ADULT stem cells, so I believe it's correct to fund what's producing results. I believe the outcry for PUBLICLY FUNDED embryonic stem cell research is due to private funding for this research drying up.
By your reasoning there are dozens of types of cancer research programs that should be immediately abandoned.
It's amazing to me how far people go in the pro-life theorizing. It is an area that, although not devoid of reason, is also not devoid of paranoia and twisted yet linear reasoning.
The idea that people will immediately begin using their bodies as embryo farms is a stretch at best.
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By your reasoning there are dozens of types of cancer research programs that should be immediately abandoned.
I don"™t think so, VC. The great difficulty in the stem cell debate is that people who support stem cell research wish to fund it with public money. Under this circumstance if a man is a tax payer, and he thinks human embryos are fully human, then, he will necessarily take some part in the deliberate murder of humans. This problem DOES NOT exist with cancer research. To avoid the dilemma, the only legal recourse the man has is to appeal to the government, and to public opinion, precisely as many pro-lifers do today. He has a right to do this. He in fact has an obligation to his own principles to do it. I think he does nothing wrong or over the top.
RE: Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
[quote] Under this circumstance if a man is a tax payer, and he thinks human embryos are fully human, then, he will necessarily take some part in the deliberate murder of humans[quote]That could be applied to many things that are publically funded.
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I don"™t think so, VC. The great difficulty in the stem cell debate is that people who support stem cell research wish to fund it with public money. Under this circumstance if a man is a tax payer, and he thinks human embryos are fully human, then, he will necessarily take some part in the deliberate murder of humans. This problem DOES NOT exist with cancer research.
Hey, Swampmonster, welcome back. It's been a while since you've joined us.
I stand by my point, which is to take exception to the first two lines of the quote I outlined. That results are not being achieved at this moment in time does not mean that no results can be had. There are dozens of cures that took many decades.
The pro-life position on this is, as I said, not without merit. It does not require speculation as to what people might do in the way of becoming walking embryo farms.
As to how it is or is not funded, your point is taken.
RE: Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
Hi VC, and thanks so much for welcoming me back.
Berqall did not state, as a principal, the idea that only things that produce results should be funded regardless of what they promise. His suggestion was quite narrow in fact. He may see great promise in the cancer programs you mentioned, though they have apparently produced no results, and wish to fund them purely on this basis. Then again, he may wish also to defund many of these programs because they have failed in the same way he thinks embryonic stem-cell research has failed. And this is valid because cancer programs are not so untouchable that their existence ought never to be questioned. Basically, berqall is ready to throw in the towel where publicly funding embryonic stem-cell research is concerned because he sees adult stem-cell research offering a greater chance at success. Whether he is scientifically qualified to throw in the towel at this point is irrelevant because he is in part footing the bill. If he wishes to end efforts here, it is as much his prerogative to try as it is your prerogative to try stopping him.
But the point in your post to which I responded was this:
It's amazing to me how far people go in the pro-life theorizing. It is an area that, although not devoid of reason, is also not devoid of paranoia and twisted yet linear reasoning. The idea that people will immediately begin using their bodies as embryo farms is a stretch at best.
I don"™t think paranoia among pro-lifers is such that they deserve this sort of harsh statement. I don"™t think pro-lifers would be happy to accept embryonic stem-cell research even if it were scientifically impossible for people ever to use their bodies as embryo farms. The mere acceptance of embryonic stem-cell research requires philosophical concessions on the part of pro-lifers that would be devastating to their position. I don"™t think they can or will make these concessions, and by holding firm I don"™t think they act paranoid or do anything that is over the top.
Instead of giving welfare, we should buy the womans eggs from her?
