logo
 

Go Back   HuntingNet.com Forums > Non Hunting > Politics

Politics Nothing goes with politics quite like crying and complaining, and we're a perfect example of that.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-22-2006, 01:53 PM   #1
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 554
Default what a failure...

Bush tries to impose new terms of victory...[/align][/align][/align][/align][/align]A FRESH attempt by President Bush to redefine success in Iraq was undermined within hours by the American military and Iraqi officials.
Mr Bush surprised America by admitting yesterday to growing similarities between the wars in Iraq and Vietnam. But he also emphasised that success should not be measured by the body count, but in terms of the ability of Iraqis to defend themselves, their access to healthcare and education.
"I define success or failure as whether or not the Iraqis will be able to defend themselves. I define success or failure as whether schools are being built or hospitals are being opened. I define success or failure as whether we"re seeing a democracy grow in the heart of the Middle East," he told ABC News.







NI_MPU('middle');
Only hours after his statement Major-General William Caldwell, spokesman for the US forces in Iraq, said that the results of a vast security operation to secure Baghdad " the key to this war " had been "disheartening".
And there is little more heartening news from the results of the $30 billion (£16 billion) to $40 billion American reconstruction effort. Since the invasion not a single Iraqi hospital has been built, according to Amar al-Saffar, in charge of construction at the Health Ministry.
In fact, no hospital had been built since the Qaddumiya hospital opened in 1986 in Baghdad, he said. When the war started it had 20 intensive care unit beds. Now it has half that, with many patients forced to buy their own oxygen supplies on the black market.
The only significant attempt to build a hospital was a project promoted by Laura Bush, the First Lady, in Basra. She frequently praised the $50 million paediatric hospital being built in the southern city. But Mr al-Saffar said that through financial mismanagement " the bane of postwar reconstruction across the country " it had never been completed.
Another senior Health Ministry official was surprised that Mr Bush had latched on to healthcare as proof of progress in Iraq. "It is the worst situation that the Ministry of Health has been in in its entire history," he said. Healthcare had become so dire that half of those who died of injuries from terrorist attacks might have been saved, according to Bassim al-Sheibani, of the Diwaniyah College of Medicine, writing in the British Medical Journal.
Doctors told The Times that almost everyone who was seriously wounded in the daily explosions and shootings would die for want of proper medical attention. And, according to Mr al-Saffar, the country"s medical workers were themselves in the line of fire " 120 doctors and 80 pharmacists have been murdered, and 15,000 doctors had fled abroad.
The refurbishment of schools had been seen as a more successful effort, with about 3,000 out of 18,000 renovated by American contractors and military engineers. But even there, the Education Ministry says, another 5,000 schools are needed and 80 per cent of the existing ones need repairs. Teachers and parents say that the work carried out after the war was often shoddy and superficial, sometimes no more than a paint job.
"They rebuilt my children"s primary school after the fall of the regime but it was done very badly. They only painted it," Abu Abdullah, a father of two, said in central Baghdad, hinting that the school was defrauded by the contractors. "Me and my friends evaluated the cost of construction at about two million dinars (about £900) but the contract was for 20 million."
Abu Abdullah has to escort his children to school every day for fear of attack or kidnapping, and he says that the quality of teaching is so poor that he and his wife give them extra classes after school.
Luna, 28, a Sunni teacher, had to leave her primary school in a Shia part of town. She is too frightened to discipline her students or hand out bad marks for fear of retribution from their families. "Our generator is always broken so we don"t have enough electricity. Students sit in hot, unlit rooms."
COUNTING COSTS
$30-40bn spent on reconstruction
None Hospitals built since invasion
200 Doctors and pharmacists murdered
15,000 Doctors who have fled abroad
3,000 out of 18,000 schools refurbished
5,000 Extra schools needed
24,000 Pupils who have fled abroad
72 Iraqi civilian fatalities reported yesterday

US casualties
2,784 killed
71 this month
Iraqi police casualties
4,000 killed
8,000 wounded in the past two years
3,000 Iraqi policemen sacked this month


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2413011,00.html#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=World
[/align]
smokeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 03:22 PM   #2
 
BillyMack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Elkin, N.C.
Posts: 811
Default RE: what a failure...

That will light some fires in here.

I thought everything was going good over there!? Especially w/ their newly formed "Democracy" . Hmmmmmm.................
__________________
'07 Bear Element 60#
WB, Bow Jax, BlackHawk Vapor Pro 4000s, 100 grn Thunderheads


The highway to glory, is the way of the Cross!

http://picasaweb.google.com/billymackster
BillyMack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 04:53 PM   #3
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pegram TN USA
Posts: 807
Default RE: what a failure...

BillyMack, your signature doesn't match your post. London times is likely to portray things in the worst light.

What is your answer smoke? Leave before the Iraqis can defend themselves? Have our military apologize to the nice terrorists for being in their way?
__________________
We ARE the change!
Whitehorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 05:02 PM   #4
 
BillyMack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Elkin, N.C.
Posts: 811
Default RE: what a failure...

How so?

I think nearly every other source across the globe reports very similar things. I believe "Fox" would be outnumbered here. They can't be right ALL the time can they?

You can claim all the other networks report/exaggerate the negatives, but Fox exaggerates the postives. What little there is.
__________________
'07 Bear Element 60#
WB, Bow Jax, BlackHawk Vapor Pro 4000s, 100 grn Thunderheads


The highway to glory, is the way of the Cross!

http://picasaweb.google.com/billymackster
BillyMack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 05:10 PM   #5
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pegram TN USA
Posts: 807
Default RE: what a failure...

Quick on the playbook there - little too quick. No one mentioned Fox - but you. Clearly part of the dem. playbook is to energize their base by attacking Fox News. You might try to be a little more careful next time.
__________________
We ARE the change!
Whitehorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 05:52 PM   #6
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 554
Default RE: what a failure...

What is your answer smoke? Leave before the Iraqis can defend themselves? Have our military apologize to the nice terrorists for being in their way?


This is bushs fault not mine....I didnt break Iraq..He did from his selfishness and ego to do what his father didn't do....I believe his father knew what would happen if he over thrown saddam and why he didn't...

Iraq is goanna be broke for a very very very long time....I would suggest we give bush,chenney and rove to the people of iraq and let them do what they want with them to show them americans didn't agree with the invasion of iraq...Like a parting gift and then let them fight to see who wants to be the king of the hill...Atleast they would understand that americans are not responsible and didn't want the war in iraq,but that the government was and did....It's a start anyway to stop the hate against american people and actually gain some respect back for us....
smokeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 06:20 PM   #7
Giant Nontypical
 
DougMD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gambrills Md US
Posts: 6,078
Default RE: what a failure...

I think terrorists respect the fact that we won't take it like we did during the embassy bombings and Cole. I also think that doing nothing like we did during Clinton emboldened them, as they "knew" they could hit us with no reprisals. Having said that, Iraqi oil was supposed to pay the cost of the war, and it ticked me off bigtime when suddenly overnight the American taxpayer is footing the bill. We've lost a lot of good men and women over there (too many, considering how the death toll is mounting and we haven't yet turned the corner). But make no mistake, we lost 25 times more good men and women in Vietnam.
DougMD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 07:08 PM   #8
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 2,602
Default RE: what a failure...

Quote:
ORIGINAL: Whitehorse

Quick on the playbook there - little too quick. No one mentioned Fox - but you. Clearly part of the dem. playbook is to energize their base by attacking Fox News. You might try to be a little more careful next time.
Very true.
__________________
We must be the change we wish to see in the world -- Ghandi
http://www.rightminded.net
BenGarrett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2006, 10:16 PM   #9
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 554
Default RE: what a failure...

The spin cycle....
smokeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2006, 04:18 AM   #10
Boone & Crockett
 
Tazman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fredericksburg Virginia USA
Posts: 13,673
Default RE: what a failure...

I like several others here would love to here what billymack suggest we do!

I am far from happy with how things are going over there, going in there was a big mistake, no doubt in my mind, I would love to hear what billymack feels we should do now. It takes a very small mind to sit around and critisize, it takes a much higher IQ to express what they feel should be done.

billymack we await your answers!
__________________
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
Tazman is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I'm a Failure big rockpile Turkey Hunting 5 11-08-2007 07:21 PM
Equipment Failure? quiksilver Bowhunting 27 04-25-2007 08:30 PM
The Failure Leafrivermac Religion 3 07-25-2005 11:01 PM

 

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:16 AM.