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Old 10-18-2006, 07:36 PM   #1
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For those of us that aren"t lawyers, habeas corpus means is the idea that, as Americans, we are safe in our person from being seized on a whim by the government and whisked away never to be seen or heard from again. The Founders specified this right in the Constitution because they knew it had been seriously abused before and has always been the particularly effective tool of tyrants.

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is the new law Bush signed into law this morning does away with that right in America. I could go on and on about why this is important, but I think I"ll just touch on the highlights and provide a link to a more in-depth article on it MSNBC.

The big picture:

If Mr. Bush or Mr. Rumsfeld say so, anybody in this country, citizen or not, innocent or not, can end up being declared an unlawful enemy combatant. In fact, it says that if you even give material support to an organization that the president deems connected to one of these groups, you too can be an enemy combatant, even if you did so unknowlingly. And all of these declarations are at the whim of the President (for now this is Bush, but it could be anyone else in the future, provided Bush doesn"t declare political enemies unlawful combatants).

Americans no longer have the following rights:
1) the right to question why they are being held or imprisoned;
2) the right to an attorney;
3) the right to not be forced to testify against oneself;
4) the right to know the evidence being presented against us so that we can defend ourselves from it;

Here"s what Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University said:

This is "a huge sea change for our democracy. The framers created a system where we did not have to rely on the good graces or good mood of the president. In fact, Madison said that he created a system essentially to be run by devils, where they could not do harm, because we didn"t rely on their good motivations.

"Now we must. And people have no idea how significant this is. What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values"I think people are fooling themselves if they believe that the courts will once again stop this president from taking over"taking almost absolute power."

"And so we may have, in this country, some type of uber-president, some absolute ruler, and it"ll be up to him who gets put away as an enemy combatant, held without trial.
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"It"s something that no one thought"certainly I didn"t think"was possible in the United States. And I am not too sure how we got to this point. But people clearly don"t realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. What happened today changed us."

Here"s a link to msnbc article on it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15318240/
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:58 PM   #2
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The undoing of habeas corpus is of a great evil to this country and anyone can be thrown in jail without any justice at all allowed. All countries can look at us as a great evil now. This is a very sad sad day for all of us.
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I admittedly am not completely familiar with this act. However, I got far enough in it to see that it specifies that detainees cannot be forced to testify against themselves (in contrary to your point #4), so I can only assume this is going to turn into another propoganda battle.

I did read with some amusement your post on the "Is America losing . . ." thread stating that Bush "does not believe in the process of law," and referencing this bill. Once again, we hear "Bush, Bush, Bush." The Great Satan, the one to blame for all of our woes and ills.

I'm sorry to interfere with the Bush-bashing, but there were 253 U.S. Representatives and 56 U.S. Senators who voted for this bill to get it to the president's desk in the first place. In fact, there were a number of Democrats who felt strongly enough that this was needed to help combat terrorism that they put politics aside in this election season and gave the bill their support in a show of bipartisanship. By my count, there were 35 Democrats in the House who voted for it, and 12 Democrats in the Senate who voted for it.

But, of course, it was all Bush's doing. What was I thinking?
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Old 10-18-2006, 09:12 PM   #4
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I blame all of them.

Better?
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Old 10-18-2006, 09:17 PM   #5
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Bad people get caught eventually, that's why I am a good boy all of the time......I have nothing to worry about...I don't associate with or aid terrorists...unless of course they pay real well....
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Old 10-18-2006, 09:22 PM   #6
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Bad people get caught eventually, that's why I am a good boy all of the time......I have nothing to worry about...I don't associate with or aid terrorists...unless of course they pay real well....
Sure you do. I think you're a terrorist. And I'm going to hold you in prison for a while. Until you decide to confess. Now you don't have to confess, but I don't have to let you have access to an attorney,(or a trail) either.

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Old 10-18-2006, 09:40 PM   #7
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ok I'll bite, how long will I be held for? Will I be fed?

Do I have access to hunting and fishing magazines?

Will I have the internet?

Will my employer be notified that I am under a leave of absence because I am on a government assignment?

Was I caught because I was bad or associated with someone who was?

I have nothing to fear from my country doing this because I am innocent I tell you, innocent...( really I didn't do it, pass the pasta please )

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Old 10-19-2006, 04:28 AM   #8
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ok I'll bite, how long will I be held for? Will I be fed?
Just as long as big brother wants to keep you. yes, you will be fed.

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Do I have access to hunting and fishing magazines?
No!

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No!

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Will my employer be notified that I am under a leave of absence because I am on a government assignment?
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Was I caught because I was bad or associated with someone who was?

I have nothing to fear from my country doing this because I am innocent I tell you, innocent...( really I didn't do it, pass the pasta please )
No you do not need to be with anyone bad or asspciated with them, all you need to do is look like you might be. Innocent save that for your attorney, if and whenBig Brotherdecides if you canhave one! Joke if you may but, this is really bad news for all.
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