The authorities appeared unable or unwilling to stop the bloodshed in Balad and its environs that may set the standard for the building inter-communal conflict should it spread further and the pace hasten, which appeared likely.
Iraq's government appeared powerless to stop the fighting, demonstrating its failure to form political consensus that could rein in sectarian rivalries and establish meaningful security.
On Sunday, the government indefinitely postponed a much-anticipated national reconciliation conference aimed at bridging religious and ethnic divides.
"There are hidden hands behind this who want Shiites and Sunnis fight each other, they are the Iranians," Hamid said.
Insurgency takes many forms does it not ?[:'(][&:]
VC, I hear what you are saying butin using the term "Insurgency", given the current climate and ideologies coming from Iran, I am pointing out that the term itself,seems to cover a broad range.
Insurgency could be in the form of money, goods n services, fundamentalist ideals, hoodlums etc.
You could say that the US and the coalition are the insurgents like the hardline islamic fundamentalists claim. Maybe we need to say yes you're right and we will eliminate you from this land once and for all?
But I question any logic that follows the lines of " capturing your sworn enemy sneaking into your camp at night attempting to cut yoiur throat, sayign bad enemy don't do it againand setting him free during the day because we respect religious freedoms "
" the mess" was already there, it's messier now because of insurgency fundingof weapons,explosives and personnel ( training as well? ) and I don't think it is something to blame the US , Britain or coalition for.
Saddam Hussein was Sunni and used his Baath Party hoodlums to terrorize Iraqi's. It's only fitting that the Shi'a would ally themselves to the hardliners from Iran after that.
The political and geopgraphic dividing lines are being created by evolution ( and greed for oil ) in Iraq and this sort of thing could continue for a long time. If it appears to be takling a lifetime then maybe it is time for the west to take total control? Maybe we should allow Iraq to be handled by the Russians and French ? Maybe the Russian mafia is already there?
I think it could turn into a free for all oil grab and we'll continue to see " Savethe Sand Worm and death to America" fundamentalist groups forming causing chaos.
" the mess" was already there, it's messier now because of insurgency fundingof weapons,explosives and personnel ( training as well? ) and I don't think it is something to blame the US , Britain or coalition for.
The mess was there and was completely and utterly unaccounted for prior to invading that nation. A third-grader could have seen the mess coming, yet we had zero in the way of contingencies for "the mess."
As to weapons, the caches we found should have been secured long ago. The enemies of the US and those Iraqis who desire to kill each other for religious reasons are well-armed as a result. Who's fault it that?
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The political and geopgraphic dividing lines are being created by evolution ( and greed for oil ) in Iraq and this sort of thing could continue for a long time. If it appears to be takling a lifetime then maybe it is time for the west to take total control? Maybe we should allow Iraq to be handled by the Russians and French ? Maybe the Russian mafia is already there?
With decades to consider our possible incursion maybe we would have seen these problems coming? Maybe a true coalition of global participants would have helped? Maybe the funding could be done by someone beside you, me, my children, and their children?
All this mess, all this death, all the billions, for what???????? For whom? What is in this for us?
All this mess, all this death, all the billions, for what???????? For whom? What is in this for us?
It's the pivotal point in history where East meets West. Once we uncover the mysteries to the sectarian violence we can solve the political puzzles and everyone will settle down.
The problem as I see it is that these two main groups, Sunni and Shiite, are randomly power tripping on each other. This will foster resentment for generations and as such the vendetta beat will go on in the middle east as it always has...if we play it they're way.
Maybe the west needs to take control and guide these people through the democratic process, secure the borders and disarm the country. Hey are we not doing that, yet ?
You mention weapons caches...pretty easy to bury the weapons in the sand and pull em out later...but that is what metal detectors are for right?
Iran and Syria are not helping very much.
What's in it for us...? Should our motivations be only such ? Should anyone give up on good intentions?
Flip side, total take over.
I for one am too old to learn Arabic, my knees crack when I bend down to pray like a Christian and I can't see myself ditching relish touse Tabouli on my hot dogs......and Iprefer to see a woman's face unveiled.
Once we uncover the mysteries to the sectarian violence we can solve the political puzzles and everyone will settle down.
We should live so long...don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
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Maybe the west needs to take control and guide these people through the democratic process, secure the borders and disarm the country. Hey are we not doing that, yet ?
Actually, no, we are not doing that. Further you cannot "guide people through the democratic process" unless they want to be guided. Even the army we propped up has been accused of conspiring to partake in the killing associated with the sectarian violence. That speaks volumes.
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What's in it for us...? Should our motivations be only such ?
Absolutely. Why should we bankrupt our nation for them?
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Flip side, total take over.
I for one am too old to learn Arabic, my knees crack...
You are kidding, right? Right? You do not seriously think that Iraq posed any real threat to the US do you? Especially no threat of "total take over."
Absolutely. Why should we bankrupt our nation for them?
I thought the DOW recently hit 12000 ? hehehe
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You are kidding, right? Right? You do not seriously think that Iraq posed any real threat to the US do you? Especially no threat of "total take over."
I understand what you are getting at and I think we need a positive spin on the whole mess, like business opportunities will rise for cleaning companies etc...
I was kind of joking about the feebles of aging, however I for one do not want Islamic fundamentalism and all it's anti western rhetoric taking a foot hold in my neighborhood, do you in yours?
With respect to extremists wanting to bomb the snot out of the west, yes I am seriously serious...if things keep going sour with our own thinking thenthere will be a photo of Osama Bin Laden on the box of Wheaties we know and love...that's if it's ok to eat them still, must be in the Quran somewhere that it is ok to eat wheat...
In the context that the instability Iraq represents, yes, a threat to the west.What is currently happening in Iraqwith respect to sectarianism exemplifies all that is wrong over there in the middle east in many nations.
If I was Bush, I'd roll over Iraq from one end to the other and clean house, yeah baby yeah...Push them insurgents back into Iran, have the illegal mexicans shipped over there to build a big wall on the border of Iran and Iraq and then bomb the snot out of North Korea just because I can...
Iraq Sectarian Violence Rises
