RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
Iffy, first I need to ask if you live in Macon County or in close proximity, it will answer a lot of questions for me as to the reasoning behind some of your 'insights'.
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Will you support the use of the warrantless invasion of privacy by a future prez whom you didn't vote for?
If you supported Wild Bill and his gang, you beat the Repubs to the punch, and overwhat???? Money, not Americans lives, but cold, hard cash in the name of keeping a few trade secrets. Research (more than one web hit if the reading isn't too much) the actions leading up to the Economic Espionage Act of 1996. I didn't vote for Willy, but managed to refrain from running around like the Chicken Little of Civil Rights. I guess since he was a Dem it was OK.
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Just like gun control laws,,, incrementalism anyone,,,
What planet are you living on?????????? In the past 8 years, gunowners have reaped many more freedoms than before-The expiration of The Brady Deblacle; I believe 44 states have concealed carry with a bill for nationwide recoprocity on the horizon; The passing of the Castle Doctrine in many states. Hell, in NC a concealed carry permit negates the requirement for purchasing Pistol Purchase Permits and instant checks for long guns.;Enactment of the "œDisaster Recovery Personal Protection Act, Enactment of the "œProtection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, Enactment of the "œTiahrt Amendment, Enactment of a tax exemption for custom gunsmiths, House Passage of H.R. 5092, all of which were enacted since the elections of 2004!!!!!!!! The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act should be very fresh in your paranoid mind. What a liberal Governor and Mayor did in a month to gunowners was more than the Nazis managed in 4 years. More and more states are amending their state constitutions to make hunting a right.
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What is a "terrorist"
That question isn't even worthy of an answer or debate.
The vividness of your imagination rivals that of my children's.
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RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
Moon,
I think you're misreading Iff's post. He's not arguing that gun owners are not better off re our 2nd amendment rights than we were 8 years ago.
WhileIff's feelings about the POTUS are no secret (shh, I think he doesn't like him), in this instance the fundamental question he is asking is not partisan. Simply, many of us tend to oppose restrictions on our right to bear arms because even modestinfringements slowly erode that right, to the point were incrementally the right becomes meaningless. Should not that stance be taken towards ALL of our civil liberties?
RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
If they want to tap into my boring little life what is stopping them? Merely making warrantless wiretaps legal or illegalis not going to stop a determined person from breaking the law. See recent rash of schools being shot up. Wasn't that illegal? Why didn't they stop?
What the men and women on the hill do doesn't really affect us little people that much. IMHO we are screwed either way. We need to be morescared of liberal judges that make the decision as to whatour rights are. They are the only people who will affect most of us. Beware of those wearing black robes!!!!
RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
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If they want to tap into my boring little life what is stopping them? Merely making warrantless wiretaps legal or illegalis not going to stop a determined person from breaking the law. See recent rash of schools being shot up. Wasn't that illegal? Why didn't they stop?
That's definately not the point at all. If it was then there should be no laws at all.
It is the consequence for breaking them that makes them effective. (little golden book of government,1st edition, page 1)
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We need to be morescared of liberal judges that make the decision as to whatour rights are.
They only interpret the law and I agree, sometimes erroneously, but it those who attempt to incrementally (there's that word again) restrict liberty because of any agenda that are the real threat. We should not be governed by men but by laws and the process of law. It is the circumventing of the checks and balances that we have to guard against.
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RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
Actually Hillbilly, a lot of the times the courts are making law instead of interpreting it only . One example, separation of church and state is no where in the constitution but written by the SCOTUS and now people believe it is actually written in the constitution. So here is just one instance where they created law instead of interpreting it only. There are many more but this one stands out in my opinion.
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How are consequences of breaking the law effective when there is no guarantee they will be implemented?
My point of the liberal judges is they intrepret the law as they see it, not as the law was written. Our constitution is worthless with a liberal judge. You need look nofarther than the second ammendment.
The law is only as effective as your defense attorney is. It is who has the best lawyers more so than what the law says.
IMO, we are too far gone to fix. We need to start over and actually have a government of, by, and for the people. We need laws that people can understand without a intrepreter.
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How are consequences of breaking the law effective when there is no guarantee they will be implemented?
My point of the liberal judges is they intrepret the law as they see it, not as the law was written. Our constitution is worthless with a liberal judge. You need look nofarther than the second ammendment.
The law is only as effective as your defense attorney is. It is who has the best lawyers more so than what the law says.
IMO, we are too far gone to fix. We need to start over and actually have a government of, by, and for the people. We need laws that people can understand without a intrepreter.
Good post.
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RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
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Actually Hillbilly, a lot of the times the courts are making law instead of interpreting it only . One example, separation of church and state is no where in the constitution but written by the SCOTUS and now people believe it is actually written in the constitution. So here is just one instance where they created law instead of interpreting it only. There are many more but this one stands out in my opinion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion?[&:]
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RE: Where "warrantless" and other such laws are leading us
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They only interpret the law and I agree, sometimes erroneously, but it those who attempt to incrementally (there's that word again) restrict liberty because of any agenda that are the real threat. We should not be governed by men but by laws and the process of law. It is the circumventing of the checks and balances that we have to guard against.
I completely agree.
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