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Old 09-24-2006, 05:09 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 "” A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?hp&ex=1159070400&en=003f596f 66422cfd&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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Old 09-24-2006, 06:23 PM   #2
 
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I think it's an unfortunate but unavoidable consequence to a necessary mission.

If I attack a stand of poison ivy in the edge of the yard with the Weed Eater, and chopped pieces of the plant land a distance away and germinate, do I conclude that I should've left the original stand of ivy alone to grow out of control? Hardly.

The fact is that these people, these Islamic extremists, are bred to hate and taught to kill. All they need is a cause. Did our invasion of Iraq strengthen the resolve of some of these nuts who might not have otherwise taken up arms against the west? I'm sure it did. At the same time, when we overthrew the Taliban in Afghanistan, it strengthened the resolve of some terrorists who wouldn't have otherwise taken up arms against the west. A cartoon or off-handed comments by the pope can incite them to violence, for pete's sake.
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Old 09-24-2006, 07:42 PM   #3
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I think Macain had it right when he followed up and said if it was not Iraq they would just be hitting use somewhere else. They are waging war on us and it does not matter to them where they do it. Anyone who believes its just Iraq is living in a bubble. ( and there are quite a few of those)
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Old 09-25-2006, 06:22 AM   #4
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Good point Ben and certainly food for thought. It makes me wonder how it all would have worked out if wehad not gone to the gulf in defense of Kuwait in the early 90's and never did the Iraq invasion. Going further back, didn't take such abullish position on Israel, and pulled our troops and bases out of the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula years ago and never went to Viet Nam. Would we be living in a stable economy and feel prosperous and worry free or would we have the worry of being pulled into a major conflict in the Middle East due to nuclear proliferation and the bravado that a new bomb has instilled in one of the several small minded leaders over there. Using the poison Ivy analogy are we better off treating the infestation regularly with the understanding that we will get infected occasionally and keep it under control or wait until it takes over the yard and lose the use of our land? Left to their own devices what would the Middle East look like today if we were never there.
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Old 09-25-2006, 06:38 AM   #5
 
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If I attack a stand of poison ivy in the edge of the yard with the Weed Eater, and chopped pieces of the plant land a distance away and germinate, do I conclude that I should've left the original stand of ivy alone to grow out of control? Hardly.


Without a plan to contain it would be a stupid ideal before attacking it to begin with....Next thing you know it's in your neighbors yard and then the whole block then city then county then state then country then the world.... Brilliant ideal without a plan,now you got a mess and eveyone is pissed at you for being so stupid and ignorant without more planned out idea and help from more of the community.....

Now you go and eliminate the grounds keeper (Saddam) who has kept the ivy from spreading from one yard to another and allowed this plant to grow where ever it wants...Handed Iraq over to Iran on a fertile soil to grow as free as it wants...Good job...
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Poison ivy is persistent. Birds can eat the fruit and drop seeds, which germinate easily. In addition, the plant is spread by creeping rootstocks that extend from the parent plant. New plants can sprout from a small, buried root section that escapes cultural control attempts.

So it would seem one would need to dig up all the roots and it might take a few years to finally get it all.
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I didn't realize community planning meetings and an environmental impact statement were necessary before weed-eating my yard.

I'm curious about your last paragraph. Surely you aren't defending Saddam?
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Poison ivy is persistent. Birds can eat the fruit and drop seeds, which germinate easily. In addition, the plant is spread by creeping rootstocks that extend from the parent plant. New plants can sprout from a small, buried root section that escapes cultural control attempts.

So it would seem one would need to dig up all the roots then burn the plants and it might take a few years to finally get it all.
I think we all know how to burn the plants but elect not to at least for now...too much fallout.
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Old 09-25-2006, 07:26 AM   #9
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actually I was in error on the burning point, CI.

Do not destroy poison ivy with fire. When a poison ivy plant is burned, poisonous particles go into the air on the smoke. They can produce an allergic reaction in the eyes and respiratory tract or on the skin. Note: Be careful not to burn wood that has poison ivy vines, in your woodstove or fireplace.
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Old 09-25-2006, 07:32 AM   #10
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Yes, I do beleive so. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Saddam kind of keep all the other wacko groups in check? Not saying it was right but....
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