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Old 09-18-2006, 07:13 AM   #1
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Default Can we define a few things?

Some posts just make my head want to explode!!!!

Please offer a definition to one or both of the following:

1) Hero

2) Torture

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Old 09-18-2006, 07:20 AM   #2
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A samwich?

Anything someone dosnt like?
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Old 09-18-2006, 07:40 AM   #3
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Eto, you should at least commit to your own topic.

Give your definitions. That would be an excellent starting point to discuss this interesting and subjective matter.
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Old 09-18-2006, 08:06 AM   #4
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Hero

I can't give a "dictionary sounding" definition, and I'm not into cutting and pasting one now. Not that anyone would accept it anyway (fickle internet people). Here'sa "seat of my pants" definition and additional thoughts.

Hero -- Someone who has admirable accomplishments, has shown uncommon valor, or has exceded the normal call of duty or limitations. For some, the normal call of duty far excedes that of "normal" folks, so just performing the expected job may make them a hero.

Asking a child "who is your hero?" should be the basis of a definition. Hero is the status of a person in that child's mind. The heroic aspect usually overshadows anything else about that person. The title of hero can be lost or dropped.

Herois both absolute and subjective, based on popularity as much as accomplishments.

Hero is not permanent.

Being a hero in on field does not make one a hero in all fields.

Being a hero does not make one an expert.


Torture

To me, it is inflicting physical pain or mental pain that will leave permanent damage.

It is not discomfort. It is not mental pain that is temporary. It is not causing a person to cry. It is not causing confusion.

Torture is not a lot of things that the media wants to call it, and it is not what certain politicians say it is in order to sway public opinion and pick up some votes.





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There you go, eto! Now you're in the deep murky water that makes for a great topic.


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Old 09-18-2006, 10:07 AM   #6
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There you go, eto! Now you're in the deep murky water that makes for a great topic.
I doubt it. This thread will sink down to the bottom. It's not tied to any specific issue, so nobody will want to discuss it.

I think my head may still explode, though!
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:40 AM   #7
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In my opinion (for whatever that's worth)you did a great job Eto.

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Are you a hero if you are the first one to come upon an accident and you pull them to safety?

What about waking the others when you find your apartment is on fire?

I think we use the term hero to loosely maybe I'm wrong but just doing the right thing does not make a hero out of you.

If it leaves a mark you can look down and see or one you awake to, it is torture. If you are going to torture a man mentally you had better kill him when you are finished,because if he is any kind of man he will kill you the first chance he gets.
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Old 09-18-2006, 11:21 AM   #9
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I would think there can be several definitions to both terms. Consider hero for starters. Our country recognizes military heros with the medal of honor which is awarded for "conspicuously distinguishing themselves by gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of their lives above and beyond the call of duty" while engaged in military action against an enemy of the U.S. We pretty much all agree that the fire and policemen/women who went into the WTC buildings to rescue people are heros. And people often refer to fire and police as heros within our society. Many children will tell you that their dad or mother is a hero to them.

I think a hero is somebody who gives of themselves freely even though such giving entails risking their life, reputatation or quality of life to help another person. Jesus Christ comes to mind with this definition but a lot of other people also try to emulate his life and many examples. I think a hero is also somebody who inspires you to emulate their better behavior and thus become a better person. I think each person determines their own personal variation of what a hero is and does.

Torture, on the other hand, often brings images to mind of several sicko movies or police whodunits where people hurt and kill other people needlessly. Sadddam Hussein's goons killing people for speaking out against him makes me think of torture. Jesus Christ being sacrificed on the cross makes me think of torture. I tend to think of torture in terms of some sort of physical pain inflicted with lasting injuries and done simply to hurt another person and for no good reason whatsoever. A good spanking doesn't fit my idea of torture but pulling fingernails out, beating a person until you bnreak bones, etc. does. And on occasion, reading some of the liberal posts on this board cause me to feel just a little bit tortured. J/K.[8D]
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Excellent Cal!

Couldn't get an answer on the other thread, so I'm going to try it here. Anyone care to define the following?


"Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;"

The above very well falls into the same category as "hero" and "torture"--no one solid definition is going to cover it, and what definition you get is going to depend on who you ask. I consider being called a liar by someone with the integrety of a blue-nosed baboon to be an outrage upon my personal dignity; also humiliating and degrading. Can I, an American citizen,file charges?Will the ACLU jump to my defense? Is Colin Powell going to help me out here? Of course not, butif you are a prisoner at Gitmothe calvary is on theway.Pretty sad ain't it?

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