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Old 09-13-2006, 10:41 AM   #1
 
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Did anyone else catch the 2 night, commercial free movie based on the 9/11 commission report and detailed interviews?

Was actually quite an interesting movie, and really slammed the Clinton administration, and gave a pretty good insight to events that unfolded across the world prior to 9/11/01. I was actually surprised (pleasantly) by the tone of the movie, considering it aired on ABC, as it did not place the Clinton administration on a pedestal, as one might have expected...

At the very end, a few blurbs were posted from the 9/11 commission report, which graded the current progress on national terrorism efforts.

Pre-screening of airport materials: F

Intelligent agency cooperation: D

Blocking the flow of terrorist monies: A

What does that say about this administration's priorities?

It seems the governmental agencies know who they are, where there money is, where they operate...but haven't taken any measures to ensure inter-departmental cooperation or to monitor the terrorists' capabilities or operations on US soil. The one glaring aspect that the movie revealed, IMO, was not only the inability of our intelligence to work together but the total lack of analytical appreciation for possible terrorist MOs...[&o]
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:28 AM   #2
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I was busy with other things strut.

What does that say about this administration's priorities?

Boy now that's a ten page thread.
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At the very end, a few blurbs were posted from the 9/11 commission report, which graded the current progress on national terrorism efforts.

Pre-screening of airport materials: F

Intelligent agency cooperation: D

Blocking the flow of terrorist monies: A

What does that say about this administration's priorities?
This was the grade for the whole shebang at the time of the incident. It doesn't say a whole lot for the administration that had just left nor the one that just took the controls. If you believe this is how it is now, you're sadly mistaken.

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The one glaring aspect that the movie revealed, IMO, was not only the inability of our intelligence to work together but the total lack of analytical appreciation for possible terrorist MOs...[&o]
The abilities for agencies to share info has always stunk. However, during the Klintoon administration, HUMINT (human intelligence) was cut 85% in favor of satellites and eavesdropping capabilities. Nothing will ever beat 'boots on the ground' and the man that believes otherwise is a fool. It takes YEARS to develop a intelligence network that works. Once it's gone, count on no 'credible' intel for at least 7-10 years.

Neither Administration is 'innocent' but I'll take the current one for security and intel anyday.
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:20 PM   #4
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I agree. However it seems to me that the fire has gone out on the war on terror. I quess it will take another big blow to wake the nation up again. We started out really going after the terrorist but now political garbage has taken the place of any real progress. I see no body waiting in the wings that would maybe make any difference. I think election day this year I may just go hunting. I have given up on both of the BS political parties.
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:22 PM   #5
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I agree. However it seems to me that the fire has gone out on the war on terror. I ques it will take another big blow to wake the nation up again. We started out really going after the terrorist but now political garbage has taken the place of any real progress. I see no body waiting in the wings that would maybe make any difference. I think election day this year I may just go hunting. I have given up on both of the BS political parties.
I think you might find the woods crowded.
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:23 PM   #6
 
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MoMoonrunner,

You are mistaken. Those blurbs were taken from the 9/11 commission report, which reviewed the current status of the 41 high-priority recommendations. Those recommmendations were derived from data analyzed collected from the events leading up to, and immediately following, 9/11/01. The reviews, however, were finalized less than 1 year ago today.

That indicates that our current intelligence agencies, and executive administration, are dropping the ball.

The movie pointed out, almost explicitly, that if Clinton and his cabinet had made aggressive decisions, Osama bin Laden would have been dealt with prior to 2001. However, that does not relieve lack of leadership and responsibility being put forth by the current cronies in power...
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Im going to ask a really stupid question, it just popped into my mind for no real reason and really has nothing to do with either administration and shouldnt be viewed as such..But suppose Clinton had killed Osama when he had the chance, with the way the government handled the info they had concerning 9-11, the fact that Osama really doesnt have the means to finance anything since his family cut him off, and the fact that it was actually a very cheap, and simple plot, would it have stopped the attacks from happening at all?

From what I got out of the movie the plot was financed by Shiek something or nother{sorry, I suck with names} and the planning and preperation on the state side was all handled by one of the hijackers{again with the names}.So Im not real sure how essential Osama even was to carrying it out.
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However it seems to me that the fire has gone out on the war on terror.
I agree. I think we might disagree on why that is true.

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They may or may not have taken place. And if they didn't, we probably would have been hit between then and now since we wouldn't have been on guard since 9/11. They did make a point in that movie to state that Osama Bin Laden attracted donations from terrorist groups and leaders, so cutting off the flow of money may not have had a devastating effect on Al Qaeda finances.

Having said all that, if the situation were reversed with Bush president in the 90's and Clinton in the 2000's, and Bush was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter twice, well after the 93 WTC bombing and refused both times, we would still be hearing about it from Michael Moore and all the lefties every day how Bush letthose peopledie on 9/11 by letting Bin Ladenroam free!
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This is interesting; let's discuss this. Let's discuss how the Bush administration is weak on terror. And I don't mean by quoting grades given by the former 9/11 Commission. Let's discuss specifics behind supposed grades, and how it applies to (or weakens) the overall picture of defending America from terrorism.

Bush is weak on a lot of things -- the border (and illegal immigration in general) and the environment chief among them. But I don't think he's weak on terror.
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