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Old 08-14-2006, 07:03 AM   #1
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Iran's Ahmadinejad: U.S. Responsible for Growing Mideast Violence

In an interview airing Sunday on "60 Minutes," Ahmadinejad said it was Hezbollah that had a right to defend itself in its war with Israel. Even so, he said Iran joined others in calling for an immediate cease-fire only to have it thwarted by U.S. support for Israel.

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Ahmadinejad reiterated that Iran had no plans to develop a nuclear bomb and that it simply wanted nuclear technology to develop energy resources.

"Basically we are not looking for " working for the bomb," he added. "The time of the bomb is in the past. It's behind us. Today is the era of thoughts, dialogue and cultural exchanges."

Ahmadinejad also said he doubted that Iran and the U.S. will have normalized relations anytime soon, saying that the U.S. will "have to change their behavior" before that can happen.

OK.. OK... OK....does this sound like a change in tone from Iran ?

Can this camel dung smoker be trusted?[:'(]

talk about stating the obvious, everyone knows that everything bad is always the fault of the USA.....[8D]...yeah it's all the USA's fault for supplying Hezbollah with rockets....this guy is whacko...
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Too much time in the sun has fried his brain. [:@]
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I watched an interview last week on one of the big cable channels where a Jewish Rabbi was being asked about his views on ME violence. Amazingly he stated that the creation of Israel in 1948 was the cause. He claimed that present day Israel was a godless nation, being lead by self serving zionists, and that they were just as terrorist, and underhanded as the Arabs.

I totally agree with this statement, made by the Rabbi. I would like to see America abandon Israel, because Israel is no true ally of America. The spy on America, the persecute the Christian Church, and they are war mongers, who like the Arabs, have used their false religion to justify years of murder, and warfare.

The problem is not with the USA, but rather the people who presently lead her. America is being lead by a self serving, underhanded group of people who are godless, and bent on vengence. As a citizen, it saddens me to see such a Nation be taken into the depraved acts we have commited abroad in the name of "Freedom".
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I watched an interview last week on one of the big cable channels where a Jewish Rabbi was being asked about his views on ME violence. Amazingly he stated that the creation of Israel in 1948 was the cause. He claimed that present day Israel was a godless nation, being lead by self serving zionists, and that they were just as terrorist, and underhanded as the Arabs.
Can you tell us what channel or network ? The name of the Rabbi ?

As far as Zionism goes, can you provide some examples?
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Old 08-14-2006, 08:15 AM   #5
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Ahmadinejad may be right when he says that the US is part of the cause for the violence in the Middle East, but we are not the root cause, nor are we the primary cause of it. The Middle East has been at war both with the West and inter-tribal warfare for centuries, if they are not fighting Isreal, they are fighting the West, or they are fighting each other. The presence of the US in Afghanistan and Iraq along with the support given Isreal does not promote peace in the Middle East by a long shot, things will calm down a bit over there once we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but history of the region shows that they will start killing each other more frequently then they already are once we are gone. Pulling our support of Isreal would do absolutely nothing to resolve their hate of Isreal and would only mildly calm thier hate of the West.

Does this sound like a change of tone from Iran? Heck no, just a temporary toning down of their rhetoric.


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Old 08-14-2006, 08:43 AM   #6
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Actually Tazman, we can blame the Shi'ites actually: We all know who mohammad is right?
The Split between Shi'a and Sunna

Origins
Original political split arose over succession of the office of Khalif ( successor to Muhammad, leadership of Muslim Community, but not a prophet )
[ul]Ali, the cousin and son-in-law (married to the Prophet's daughter Fatima) of Muhammad, was the fourth Khalif, assassinated and replaced by the Umayyad dynasty (syria )[/ul]
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There had always been a faction that believed 'Ali should have been the first Khalif.

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Majority group (Approximately 89%) continued to support the "mainstream" line of Khalifs: Came to be known Sunnis, followers of the "sunna" (custom) of the Prophet as it is practiced and interpreted by the Islamic community, the Ummah.

[*]Dissenters: The Shia` ("faction") of `Ali.
[*]the year 680--'Ali's younger son Husayn revolted and was killed in massacre at Karballah, Iraq.Commemorated annually on the tenth of Muharram.[*]Separate Shi'ite states were established; e.g. Fatimids in Egypt built Al-'Azhar University.[/ul]
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"Basically we are not looking for " working for the bomb," he added. "The time of the bomb is in the past. It's behind us. Today is the era of thoughts, dialogue and cultural exchanges."


I laughed when I heard that. Yea, they dont want a bomb, they want to give it to Oshama.
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:34 AM   #8
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He ended up on 60 Minutes?! I knew they were out in left field, butcan't believe they gave this nutjob any airtime.

Anyway, he's full of $#!%...he's simply saying the same things are always, but in a round-about manner.

"We want to wipe Israel off the map. We're defying the UN on our nuclear programs and firing up hundreds of centrifuges to process uranium. We're not making nukes. Everything is the United States' fault. Iran is peaceful."

These mullahspoint the Koran as justification for lying to infidels in order to deceive them during conflict. Ahmedinejad is lying through his teeth, or at best ducking the question, to buy more time. These people have not given any reason to be trusted ever.

As long as they continue towards their goal of dominating the Middle East and its resourcesundertheirIslamic theocracy, and arming and training enemies in order to kill Western citizens, they areextremely dangerous to the world at large and the U.S. specifically.
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:16 AM   #10
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check this out Aught six,

http://www.levitt.com/essays/palestine.html

according to this article,

There is a propaganda war going on now with regard to the term "Palestine." . It is specifically employed to avoid the use of the name Israel, and must be considered an anti-Israel term.

The term Palestine is rarely used in the Old Testament, and when it is, it refers specifically to the southwestern coastal area of Israel occupied by the Philistines.

In the New Testament, the term Palestine is never used.

The term Israel is primarily used to refer to the people of Israel, rather than the Land. However, in at least two passages, Israel is used to refer to the Land:


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Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead who sought the young child"s life. And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. (Matt. 2:20-21)
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say to you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man shall have come. (Matt. 10:23)
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The first passage is when Joseph, Mary and Jesus returned from Egypt to Israel, and the second has reference to the proclamation of the Gospel throughout the Land of Israel. Jesus, Matthew and the angel speaking to Joseph use the term Israel with reference to the Land, even though the term was not then recognized by the Roman authorities.

It is interesting to note that the original Philistines were not Middle Eastern at all. They were European peoples from the Adriatic sea next to Greece. It may have pleased Hadrian to utilize this Hellenistic term for the Jewish land. In any case, the original "Palestinians" had nothing to do, whatsoever, with any Arabs.

THEN JUST TO ADD TO THE MESS ( don't know if we can believe either one )

there's a piece from this article:

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Ancient Palestine

The earliest known inhabitants of Palestine were of the same group as the Neanderthal inhabitants of Europe.

By the 4th millennium B.C. Palestine was inhabited by herders and farmers. It was in the 3d millennium that most of the towns known in historical times came into existence.

They became centers of trade for Egyptian and Babylonian goods. During the 2d millennium, Palestine was ruled by the Hyksos and by the Egyptians.

Toward the end of this period Moses led the Hebrew people (see Jews) out of Egypt, across the Sinai, and into Palestine.

Around 1200 B.C., the Philistines ("Sea Peoples") invaded the southern coastland and established a powerful kingdom (see Philistia).

The Hebrews were subject to the Philistines until c.1000 B.C., when an independent Hebrew kingdom was established under Saul, who was succeeded by David and then by Solomon.

After the expansionist reign of Solomon (c.950 B.C.), the kingdom broke up into two states, Israel, with its capital at Samaria, and Judah, under the house of David, with its capital at Jerusalem.

The two kingdoms were later conquered by expanding Mesopotamian states, Israel by Assyria (c.720 B.C.) and Judah by Babylonia (586 B.C.).




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