Is the Israeli Palestinian conflict the root cause of Muslims attacking the Western world?

[mr-pirk]

Would abandoning Israel make a difference?

There are other questions, but I will leave it at that for the time being.

Thanks
Mr-Pirk

[boysda]

i think the US's support of Israel might well be the current "stone in the shoe" that keeps our relationship with moderate muslim states a tad chilly, but that isn't the cause of our issues. realistically, this conflict dates back to the first crusade. islamo-fascism was born at thiat time. years of european occupation, appalling socio-economic conditions, and the creation of the jewish homeland have only exacerbated the siutation.

[Champlain Islander]

My answer your question is no. We have been tolerated by some Arabic countries in the past because of our foreign aid and the issue of buying oil. Most of the oil producing countries can't begin to use the oil they pump so they need a market. Now that there are many more emerging countries that need fossil fuels they don't need us as much. Add in the fact that from a religious perspective they clash with our way of life and ideals. Slowly over time they have all come to view the US as a country filled with infidels. The fact that we have taken aggressive action against many of them in the last 20 years has justified a jihad in their eyes. Unfortunately the hatred for the west is contagious and fostered by the fundamentalist clerics in many of the countries. I see it getting worse as time goes by. We better stop selling to ***an much of the oil we pump in America and start to rely on domestic production instead of Middle East oil. I believe that door will shut and we need to be ready for it or our economy might collapse.

[James B]

NO WAY. Their hatred for us goes way beyond our support for Isreal. They hate our God, our freedom and our whole way of life. We can thank Isreal for doing at least part of what we should have done a long time ago. We can either *****-foot around this problem or wipe it out now before it goes even farther. Like they say, we can pay now or pay a lot more later.

[Canuck_Buck]

the Palestinians are orginally from Syria...

[mr-pirk]

Boysda, if I am reading your reply correctly:

The Muslim/Islamic "œissues"� with the west, are a result of the Crusades?

Islamo-Fascism? Would the Crusades be correctly considered Christian-Fascism?
(Not trying to pick on you Boysda, just wanting to get past any catch-phrases)

I agree that thenon-Islamic involvements were very strong during the Crusades.

However I suggest that the first steps towards failure occurred just shortly after Muhammad"™s death.

The socio-economic in conditions, in much of the Islamic world, are they a result of Western influences or are they a result of the mixing of State and Religion to the degree Islam mixes the two?

I agree that certain events have hastened things to the point we find them at today.

So, if the Western world abandoned Israel, would it make a difference and would that difference be good for America?

Champlain Islander, I am assuming that by "œNo"� you mean that abandoning Israel would not affect the USA in a positive way, would that be correct?
When you say the USA has bought a measure of tolerance in the Middle East by giving wealth to certain folks, I assume that you mean countries like Egypt?
What about when we supported the Shea<sp> of Iran?

When you say most countries that pump the oil (I assume you mean Middle Eastern countries) can"™t begin to use [all] the oil, it leaves me asking:

Would the USA, given the appetite here for many "œgive-away-for-your-support"� programs, be any different? (Read about how the oil money is used in Alaska)

When you say they\[Islam] views us [much of the Western World] as infidels, where does Sweden come in tothat equation?

I agree about us finding a different energy source and there by allow the USA to over come its dependence on oil.

I disagree that the domestic sellers of energy are likely to be\have been any kinder to me and you at the pump, than say Iran.

Ken Lay is an example of that.

So, if I have read your response correctly, abandoning Israel would not have a positive effect on the Western world. I suspect you are right, concerning that part of your post.

James B., I agree that Islam hates our way of life [The USA] and the freedoms, more freedom equals less control.

I do maintain that simply the freedoms, enjoyed in the USA, aren"™t the primary cause of the terrorist acts committed against the USA.

If I am reading your reply correctly:

You believe that it isn"™t the USA"™s support of Israel thatis the root cause of the problem, it may be just simply bethat the USA is in a leadership role at this point in time(Not trying to lead the witness, your Honor)?

Thanks
Mr-Pirk

[Aught Six]

Islamic fanatics hate just about anyone who doesn't subscribe to their extremist beliefs--this hatred goes way beyond our relationship with the Israel. As long as America ispowerfulandfundamentalists aren't, we'll be one of their targets.

[Whitehorse]

I think it's correct to say that for many in the islamic fascist terror movement the roots go back to the crusades. The islamic terror world is stuck in the middle ages, & that's where they want to take the world. If Israel didn't exist they would find another reason to hate & murder. Many of the "fathers" of modern islamic terrorism fought alongside the Nazis in WW2. The Jews are simply the tip of the iceberg they wish to destroy.

[CalHunter]

No, it wouldn't make a difference.

[Canuck_Buck]

ORIGINAL: Whitehorse

Many of the "fathers" of modern islamic terrorism fought alongside the Nazis in WW2. The Jews are simply the tip of the iceberg they wish to destroy.

Islamic extremism means they will destroy or try to alter anyone not Muslimenoughto their views.

They kill muslims more than anyone else.