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Old 07-05-2006, 05:20 AM   #1
 
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Default Bush adminastration commited war crimes

In the aftermath of the shocking Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the feeling in the White House was that this was "a different kind of war" demanding drastically different rules.

The U.S. Supreme Court concluded last week that even in a war on terrorism, some old and basic rules still have to be followed.

The Supreme Court decision rejecting the Bush administration's plan to try prisoners in Guantanamo before military commissions has been widely called a "rebuke." Keep in mind, though, that many of the fears that underlie the government's policies in Guantanamo were justified: Fighting a shadowy terrorist conspiracy is different from fighting another nation.

It's easier now than it was then to see this issue in calm perspective. After Sept. 11, the administration was gripped with a sense of extreme urgency that everyone felt. We had been attacked out of the blue on our own soil by fanatics intent on slaughtering innocent people. No one knew what other plots were in the works. No one knew how numerous the enemy might be, or where it might be lurking. Guantanamo was established to remove enemy fighters from the war and extract information that would help avert more attacks.

Even after the immediate emergency had passed, and the detainees had been interrogated, though, the administration declined to alter its approach to accommodate human rights considerations. And that's where it all but invited the high court ruling last week that curbed the administration's authority. The administration refused to give most of the detainees any trial, and it insisted that those charged with war crimes would be tried before newly created military commissions operating under special rules. Defendants and their lawyers were not entitled to see all the evidence against them, testimony obtained through coercion could be used, and verdicts could not be appealed to civilian judges.

Not only did these rules violate U.S. law by departing radically from those used in established military courts, the Supreme Court found, they flouted America's commitments under the Geneva Conventions. And the government failed to show that they were a military necessity.

Maybe the template for courts-martial was not perfectly suited to these suspects. Had the administration asked Congress to modify the rules to address clear, specific problems, the court might have accepted that.

By acting unilaterally and in broad-brush fashion, the administration suggested the president could do whatever he chose to address the threat. But even in wartime, the court reminded him, executive power is limited and accountable to the other branches of government. As Justice Stephen Breyer put it, "Congress has not issued the executive a blank check." Nor has the court.

The decision will force the administration to go to Congress to reach agreement on how to handle detainees who may have committed war crimes, keeping in mind the principles established by the Constitution. That puts an obligation on Congress to work in a bipartisan fashion to create the rules needed to govern the detention of terrorism suspects and bring them to trial. That process can yield an approach that protects not only America's security needs, but also its founding principles.




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Old 07-05-2006, 05:37 AM   #2
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No spinning needed, I am surprised it did not happen earlier.

To this day I am still amazed at the SCOTUS never said a word about the detention of the ***anese-Americans during WWII even during WWII.
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Blame cant all be put on the bush admin. Hes doing what clinton didnt do. Remember the first 1993 world trade center bombing? hmmm remember the USS Cole bombing? who was president then yep bill was. remember the war on americans in waco texas because they had a stock pile of weapons which by the way there is no law saying how many weapons you can own. Or do you remember clinton bombing iraq when he got caught with monica under his desk? What did iraq do then? Nothing...
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Old 07-13-2006, 04:58 AM   #4
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I know what you mean Gander , my youngest son was blaming Bush for all the nation's problems just last night , but he also thinks "Farenheit 911" is really a documentary .

Wasn't it Churchill who said "If you're under 30 and not a liberal you have no heart , but if you're over 30 and not a conservative you have no brain ." ?
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That's pretty funny brisker.

But you do realize that could be considered libel if BRP wanted to get himself an attorney, don't you? Do you have deep pockets?
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no worries Ben, this kind of banter back and forth is just kids stuff...

I vote that we let brisker wear the bigfoot costume in the next bigfoot hunt.....LOL

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Old 07-13-2006, 08:03 AM   #8
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Here's a quick quiz. Can anyone identify an administration that did not "commit" war crimes in a time of armed conflict?
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Ummmmmmmmm NOPE. But that still doesnt justify any of them.
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It doesn't justify them, but it does make you shake your head about those who portray Bush as some ultra-war criminal when his actions pale in comparison to past "Fascists" like Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Ulysses Grant, and Woodrow Wilson.
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