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Old 05-10-2006, 09:42 AM   #1
 
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How the hell does something like this even happen? Is this how far along the downward slope we've slidden?

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ST. LOUIS -- Twelve boys in the first and second grade at a St. Louis elementary school are accused of sexually assaulting a second-grade girl during recess, authorities said Tuesday.


One teacher who was supposed to be supervising the recess has been fired, and another suspended with pay, St. Louis schools superintendent Creg Williams said. The boys, ages 6 to 8, have been suspended for the rest of the school year. Names of the teachers and students were not released.







The girl, who is 8, is physically OK but will not return to school for the rest of the school year. "We don't know what type of emotional scars it will have on the young lady," Williams said.


"In my mind it's unconscionable that it happened and in my mind people have to be held accountable," Williams said. "How is it this kind of thing is even in the minds of young men?"


The incident happened Friday at Columbia Accelerated Community Educational Center, a school with 400 students in pre-kindergarten through sixth grade on the city's north side.


Shortly after lunch, three classes of first- and second-graders were outside for recess. A student saw several boys huddled around the girl who was on the ground, and alerted a teacher.


School district spokesman Tony Sanders said details of the assault are not yet clear. Police were initially called and turned the investigation over to juvenile authorities.


The boys could face misdemeanor charges of first-degree sexual misconduct and third-degree assault, said Kathryn Herman, administrator of the city's Juvenile Court. She said one of the boys is age 6, seven are age 7, and four are age 8.


"These are really young kids," Herman said. "I can't think of many other cases at this age with this type of incident."


Williams said his office received "sketchy" information about the incident Friday, but he wasn't alerted to the seriousness of it until Monday. He immediately went to the school, then contacted the girl's mother.


The district's crisis team is trying to determine if any other girls were also assaulted, Williams said. A letter was going out to district parents on Tuesday, alerting them to the incident. Counselors were also available to students at the school.


Williams said the district will also consider counseling or other efforts for the boys accused of the crime. They will not return to Columbia but will likely be sent to different schools next school year, he said. The girl may also be transferred to a different school.


"We'll get help for the boys, too, then decide what to do with them," Williams said.


Williams said other adults at the school could also be reprimanded if an internal investigation determines they failed to supervise the recess or swiftly address the incident once it came to light.
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Old 05-10-2006, 09:49 AM   #2
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IMO a lot of this is the result of some of the Rap music out there that is teaching these kids that women are not to be respected and are nothing but sexual objects, which in reality puts the real blame on the parents who allow thier kids to listen to trash like that!
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I've known about the birds and the bees since I was five. Some children have superb intuition when it comes to "adult" matters, despite adults' attempt to use euphemisms and metaphors in order tohide meanings.

Sexually assaulting a fellow child (or anyone else, for that matter) is something entirely different. I'm not a 'moral panic' kind of guy, but I think Taz is onto something here. A teacher wasn't supervising students on the playground, and the parentswere probably equally as negligent with their children at home. Even if a pre-pubescent boy knows the mechancics of the act, I would think thenotion of using physical force against a victim is something that has to be introduced externally. With the mass marketing of a downright sexually violent culture, it's no surprise.
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I think you fellas are both onto something. First and foremost, parenting has GOT to be blamed in something like this, IMHO. Then, too, our culture . . . including but not limited to that sexually-suggestive and woman-degrading rap music.

This just stuns me, though. I mean these are FIRST and SECOND graders, for pete's sake. They're years away from even thinking about puberty. Those guys are supposed to be on the playground playing red-rover-red-rover or kick ball. And they're sexually assaulting a classmate????

If this is where we're headed as a society, I shudder to think of where it'll go before it gets better.
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IMO a lot of this is the result of some of the Rap music out there that is teaching these kids that women are not to be respected and are nothing but sexual objects, which in reality puts the real blame on the parents who allow thier kids to listen to trash like that!
I was thinking the same thing. That,as well asT.V. and the internet. All which should have been monitored by the boys parents.[:'(]
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Between television, radio, magazines at the grocery store checkout, bumper stickers, t-shirts, and over-heard conversations, our children are exposed to sex everywhere they look. Some we can control when they're with us, like T.V. and radio. Some we can't, unfortunately. I'd like to beat the a$$ of every guywho has that stupid decal "My other toy has tits". How asinine.
When I was in the 4th grade, my whole lunchroom table was talking about how we all came to exist---our parents having sex. LOL! I was horrified! I stood up and yelled loudly, "My parents are good Christian people and they would never do that!" To my utter embarrassment, I found out later I was wrong. It's a funny story now, but I really wish my kids would have had the chance to be that innocent for longer than they did.
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IMO a lot of this is the result of some of the Rap music out there that is teaching these kids that women are not to be respected and are nothing but sexual objects, which in reality puts the real blame on the parents who allow thier kids to listen to trash like that!



Tazman,
I have to agree. My 14 year old daughter had a report to do on music in our society. She had to compare different genres of music and talk about their differences.

When I read her report she noted that the majority of rap music spoke of money and sex. She specifically noted that Rap music oftentalks of women as sexual objects to be used for pleasure and then discarded. That it was OK to degrade women in a song as mere objects.






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Old 05-10-2006, 12:34 PM   #9
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i'd want a couple more details before i push the panic button.

IF there was a sexual assault, in the general terms that we all contemplate, then this incident depresses me no end. makes me wanna pack my kids up, move to the deep north woods, and never return. the report, however, said details were sketchy.

we had a local incident here, where a mom claimed that two 8 year old boys tried to "sexually molest" her 8 year old daughter. turns out, the boys were chasing the girl around the schoolyard, trying to "steal a kiss".lots of laughter by all involved.fairly innocent, although the boys did require correction.

not saying that's what happened here, but i really want to see more details.
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we had a local incident here, where a mom claimed that two 8 year old boys tried to "sexually molest" her 8 year old daughter. turns out, the boys were chasing the girl around the schoolyard, trying to "steal a kiss".lots of laughter by all involved.fairly innocent, although the boys did require correction.

not saying that's what happened here, but i really want to see more details.



Boysda,
I'm 44 now but i vividly remember that when i was in 2nd grade "Ruth Vidado" chased me around the playground every day at recess for a week trying to kiss me. YUK
I was traumatised.
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