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Old 05-05-2006, 08:42 AM   #1
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The party of fiscal discipline (cough cough) had 20 Senators vote for spending $15 billion more than was originally requested. Does anyone actually think Bush will use his first veto on this bill?

It looks like the House may hold the line though.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050400230.html

Senate Defies Bush on Spending
$109 Billion Bill for Wars, Storm Relief Disdained in House


By Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 5, 2006; Page A01

The Senate ignored President Bush's veto threat yesterday and easily passed a $109 billion emergency spending bill for war and hurricane recovery costs that also brimmed with favors for farmers, the fishing industry, and the states of Hawaii and Rhode Island.

The two-week debate that preceded yesterday's 77 to 21 final vote was marked by an election-year surge in targeted spending on behalf of constituents and special interests, despite repeated warnings by fiscal conservatives about a swollen budget deficit.

Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), in a statement, called on his colleagues to "restore fiscal discipline to the Congress." He voted for the war spending bill and favors keeping about $4 billion in agricultural aid but wants cuts elsewhere. (By Melina Mara -- The Washington Post)

The Senate added money to rebuild a highway in Hawaii; protect riverbanks in California; upgrade a hurricane barrier in Providence, R.I.; and compensate New England shell fishermen for their losses from a red tide outbreak. The Senate also took steps to make farming less risky by offering compensation for virtually any scourge, including drought, flood, wildfires and pestilence.

The next step for the Senate is a potentially rancorous final negotiating session with the House, where Republican leaders greeted the Senate package with scorn. House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) called it "dead on arrival" and said his chamber "has no intention of joining in a spending spree."

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) promised a final bill that does not spend "one dollar more than what the president asks for, period."

If the threats hold, senators will have to accept a final bill that is nearly $15 billion less than the legislation approved yesterday. The House package, which passed March 16, came in slightly below Bush's original $92.2 billion request, at $91.9 billion.

The Senate bill arrived on the floor last week at $106.5 billion but grew through a series of amendments. Bush did sign off on one additional measure, $2.3 billion for pandemic flu preparations.

The bill's original intent was to provide funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and to help Mississippi and Louisiana rebuild after Hurricane Katrina. Ever since the Iraq invasion in March 2003, the administration has insisted on paying war-related expenses through ad hoc supplemental spending bills. It contends that the conflicts are temporary and that military costs cannot be anticipated well enough to be included in the regular budget process.

Lawmakers in both parties have protested this approach, which they said has disguised the war's true fiscal impact. As the process becomes routine, another danger is that the supplementals will become must-pass magnets for unrelated pet projects.

"In emergency legislation, we have a lot of things that really aren't emergencies," said Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), who led a largely futile fight to strip extraneous provisions from the bill. "I think we as a body ought to look at that and use self-discipline."

The Senate bill would provide $70.9 billion to the military to pay for personnel, operation and maintenance, and procurement costs, along with diplomatic efforts such as democracy-building programs. The Senate more than doubled a $58 million request for peacekeeping assistance in Sudan, providing $173 million.

Bush requested $19.8 billion in hurricane-related assistance, and the Senate responded with $28.9 billion -- adding projects large and small. Most of the money would go to flood-control projects, levee repairs, relief for residents and community rebuilding.

Coburn had singled out several of the hurricane-related projects as not urgently needed, but he had formidable foes: Appropriations Committee Chairman Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) and Trent Lott (R-Miss.), the former Senate majority leader, whose house in Pascagoula was destroyed in the storm.

As if to underscore the point, Lott's news release after the vote highlighted the three projects that Coburn had targeted: $700 million to move a CSX railroad line, which now hugs the coastline; about $140 million in compensation for the Northrop Grumman Corp. shipyard in Pascagoula for uninsured losses; and $176 million to rebuild the Armed Forces Retirement Home in Gulfport.

After the vote, Coburn said he is counting on Bush to deliver on his veto promise. "Taxpayers want us to be serving in a spirit of service and sacrifice, not searching for new ways to raid the public treasury," he said.

One challenge in the House-Senate conference will be striking -- or at least chipping away at -- around $4 billion in agricultural aid. The money is widely supported by farm-state lawmakers from both parties, although the White House strongly opposes it. In its April 25 veto threat, the administration noted that "in 2005, many crops had record or near-record production, and U.S. farm sector cash receipts were the second highest ever."

Still, it is an election year. Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), who is being targeted by Democrats, issued a statement that called on his colleagues to "restore fiscal discipline to the Congress" while noting that he voted for the bill.

Burns is a leading champion of the agricultural aid. He urged House and Senate negotiators to retain the aid but to remain within Bush's limit. "That's going to take a sharp pencil," Burns noted.
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If Bush vetos the bill that has war funding in it, then he will prove he hates our troops and doesn't want them to have the equipment and support they need and deserve - at least that's what the necons used to say about anyone who voted against war funding bills.........
If his record supported his disdain for the military, I'd buy that. But it doesn't. The same can't be said for the Dems that voted against funding two years ago.
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Pork is the issue here. Of course Bush wants to give the DOD what it needs to operate. But when you go through the bill and highlight various project funding added by various Senators to their pet constituents, it becomes clearhow absurd the proposed over-spending is.
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roger that Aught Six, they want to force the president to use the veto it would seem
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Set to order another round of worthless surplus crops that will do nothing but mold. We are a socialist in capitalist clothings when it comes to farming. When will the "free" market ever be allowed to modify its self and lose some unneeded pounds.
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So if theirs so little money around why does the USN need what 12 Aircraft Carriers for? With a 100 aircraft at 50 million each and all the nuc subs and destroyers to tag along surly the fleet could be cut to say six and the rest of the money could go elsewhere. (how about to seniors for drugs so they don't need to clean out the Canadian supply).
I am a conservative voter, this means to me a fiscal consrvative.
Always thought Regan and Bush were too, but their records on spending tell a diferent story all together.









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Â*So if theirs so little money around why does the USN need what 12 Aircraft Carriers for?
So that the Nimitz Class carriers can eventually be decommissioned. They were designed in the 50s and 60s. The new fleet (CVN-21) will be bigger, require fewer sailors, handle 20% more aircraft and have all of the most advanced electronics.

With all of the stuff the federal government spends money on, the military is one of the few things explicitly stated in the US Constitution. I'm not saying there isn't any room for savings. But if we don't spend the money on the military, we'll end up like the Canadian armed forces (NO OFFENSE Canuck Buck!).
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So if theirs so little money around why does the USN need what 12 Aircraft Carriers for? With a 100 aircraft at 50 million each and all the nuc subs and destroyers to tag along surly the fleet could be cut to say six and the rest of the money could go elsewhere. (how about to seniors for drugs so they don't need to clean out the Canadian supply).
I am a conservative voter, this means to me a fiscal consrvative.
Always thought Regan and Bush were too, but their records on spending tell a diferent story all together.
I was in the Navy , so I'll take a crack at this one .
The reason why we have those carriers and their 85(not 100) planes at more like 30M each , along with the subs , missiles , and assorted other pieces of tech is so that you can sleep at night without having nightmares . That's the same reason why we maintain a standing army , air force , and marine force . Around the world are millions of people who literally have nothing , much less an armed force to protect what they don't have , and your biggest complaint is that we have too much ? Try doing without them . If money being spent wastefully is your complaint then I suggest you ask your local Congressman or Senator how much of a pay raise they voted in for themselves , or how much annually they spend on office furnishings , their answers will shock you . Then ask what percent of your hard earned money went down the tubes for welfare crackheads and their endless parade of equally useless progeny , you're paying for them so you have a right to know . Then check the spending records of those same reps and see where they spent it , you won't like it . The military is an easy target , but what would life be like if they went away tomorrow ? Granted , they spend a lot of money and could definitely use more oversight , but without them you wouldn't be reading this at all .
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