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Old 10-23-2002, 11:14 PM   #11
 
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Old 10-24-2002, 03:41 AM   #12
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I beleive in and want the right to bear arms always. although if this would help law enforcement in solving crimes of murder i say "YES"
Annie, I've been a Deputy for almost 12 years now and strongly believe in the 2nd and all of the other 10 amendments. I don't know which article or statement you're basing your belief in ballistic registration helping solve crimes but I can tell you it's not correct.


---my reasoning is #1 this helps solve crimes that may or may not otherwise go unsolved when there is`nt enough evidence to hold and convict a suspect. If the cops can go to a computer and run a check on a certain gun registered to a certain perp. then the criminal can be caught much sooner--perhaps saving many more lives in the process.
I want to save lives just as much as you or anybody else and willingly put my life on the line to do just that every day. I can tell you this ballistic fingerprinting is nothing more than a scam and isn't going to solve crimes anymore than any of these other crackpot ideas and schemes suggested by anti-gun types and others who definitely don't know squat about policework.

Think about this carefully. Any criminal or perp who tries to register a gun or its' ballistic fingerprint is committing a felony and is definitely arrestable. Obviously, any law enforcement agency wouldn't give the gun back to this criminal cause that would also be a crime. This keeps coming back to the same reason that criminals have stolen guns so they don't get caught so easy.

Let's say I find a gun used in a crime, run its' ballistic fingerprint, etc. and it comes back to you. Are you automatically guilty? No. Am I going to ask you questions and investigate further? Of course. If its's your gun, there will statistically be a strong possibility that it's already been stolen from you. It could also be sold and paperwork not gone thru changing the listed owner or simply be lost. Just having the gun or it's ballistic fingerprint come back to you doesn't solve the crime.

Finding your fingerprints on the gun, other corroborating evidence at the crime scene, etc. would help solve the crime. Spending that money on hiring more cops, equiping police labs better, building more jails or prisons, etc. would help solve crime. Spending law enforcement budgets wisely instead of on some scheme would help solve crime.


#2 if you are`nt contemplating a crime of murder by gun then it should`nt be an issue.
I'm not contemplating murder and this registration scam most certainly is an issue for me. Each time the antis get another BS law passed, our freedom dies a little more. Each time we just give in and let them win, we lose a little more of our revlutionary and pioneer spirit.

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perhaps i am wrong guys but i thought with forencis eveidence that each gun fired a bullet that no other gun could be matched to, i dont mean each type of gun but each individual gun can match only a bullet fired from that specific gun, i am a bit of a forensic buff but perhaps my information may be wrong, if so forgive the error. but please remeber i too have a conscience and an opinon.

also i must say as gun owners we all have a responsibility to make sure our guns are not stolen or used in crimes if at all possible, and if we are trading or selling guns to make sure all regisitration info is correct and complete.

my brother once went with a girl who was bad news-she eventually left him and ran with another guy who didnt like my brother and whom had apparently broken into my brothers home and stolen his shot gun. this guy was very bad news. we were very worried he may commit a crime with this gun and the blame fall on my brother who actually owned the gun. to this day that gun has never turned up. it was originally my husbands gun so it still worries me it hasnt ever been found. i hope no one is ever harmed with that gun. so i do understand something of your arguments too. thanks annie.
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:20 PM   #14
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AGYG-----i am not going in to grat detail on some of this but here you go. BF -taking a bullite fired from the berral---taking a case fired from the chabmer.-----the bulliet would probly be the test fire for opperation. the riffleing leaves distant marks on bullet's. "right?". ok as the gun is shot,cleand or defaced on perpious--the rifling wears down some of the tooling marks wear down. the bf "rifleing marks" match the tool marks, twis rate and derction,and any other inperfections in the barral the origanal bullet taken for the BF will not match bullets fired later. when the riffling,tool marks,and inperfections wares down they no longer put the same riffling on the bullet. the constant is the twis rate and the rotation but that is the same in all most all guns made in that seris.ie( just using as and example say you buy a savge 110carbine in 30-06 the barral has its on induvisable marks that ware over time then it has the standerd twis "ie 1 turn in 12 1-12 right hand twist that is shared with all 30-06 savages 110 carbines not just yours." -------now it would take a lot of shoting or cleaing but it will change with time. there are spical coumpounds on the shoting market that pollishes the inperfections out of the berral on perpious.its sold to take the inperfections out to get better aceracy. the same thang to a lesser exstend is done when you brake in a new guns barral. with shoting and cleaning it takes out the ruff edges---------------------------------------------

now on to the cases when they expand in the chamber and aganst the bolt face. they leave markings on the case. cleaning again will put marks on the chamber if done inpropley----the chamber can be pollished to ade in fuction Ie make the chamber feed and extract better----this will also change the bf------the bolt face the same stuff applys plus-the prime has the firing pin marks and extractor marks the fp is relitive easy to replace and is commanly done to increas lock time. there are other thang that can be done on perpious just to change it. the extracter can be changed or modifey just as easy-------

Depending on modle of gun the barrals,bolts,fp,are easly and comanly changed. the stuff scince its replacment parts can be leagly sent through the mail----and it efectly is a new gun just on the old guns fram---------------

this stuff is done every day some of it is simmply done and does not need a gunsmith it can be done at home-----the gunsmits changes,reberrls,fine tunes actions every day all over the us------------

this stuff is not done millishely is coman for inproving guns,in fuction,relibalty,action,aceracy,experminting---------its extrmaly comman in compitision and spictly guns includding hunting guns-----so the BF is not perment by any means.....if you dont belive me look it up is comman in gun mags.
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