perhaps the tides have turned (South Dakota bans abortion)
Perhaps there is a tide turning. Perhaps the voices of the few wheelsthat want abortions legal have squeeked as loud as the every will, and now the voices of all those who do NOT want legalized mass abortions have now bitten back ? Ya'll know how easily trends are started. One state does something and it cascades to others - perhaps this will too ?
On the thing about the rapist - the issue isn't if the child should live or die. The issue really should be the restructuring of the law allowing the loophole of a rapist haveing the ability of joint custody !
Pray much on this people - 1975 was a key date in history, 2006 or 2007 might be another one. 30 million unborn babies lost their lives thanks to the Roe vs Wade ....... unbelievable, isnt it ? 2500 soldiers in Iraq lost pales in comparison .........
PIERRE, South Dakota (AP) -- State lawmakers voted Friday to ban nearly all abortions in South Dakota and sent the measure to the governor, who said he is inclined to sign it.[/b]
Under the legislation, doctors in South Dakota would face up to five years in prison for performing an abortion unless it was necessary to save the woman's life.
The bill directly targets Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. State lawmakers believe the nation's highest court is now more likely to reverse itself on the abortion issue because of the recent appointments of Justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito.
Planned Parenthood, which operates the only clinic performing abortions in South Dakota, has pledged to challenge the measure in court if Gov. Mike Rounds signs it into law.
"I've indicated I'm pro-life, and I do believe abortion is wrong and that we should do everything we can to save lives," Rounds said before the vote Friday in the House. "If this bill accomplishes that, then I am inclined to sign the bill into law."
The bill passed both houses of the Legislature earlier in the session, but the House had to agree to a Senate amendment. It passed 50-18.
The new restriction would become law July 1.
Opponents of the bill argued that abortion should at least be allowed in cases involving rape, incest and a threat to a women's health.
If a woman who is raped becomes pregnant, the rapist would have the same rights to the child as the mother, said Krista Heeren-Graber, executive director of the South Dakota Network Against Family Violence and Sexual Assault.
"The idea the rapist could be in the child's life ... makes the woman very, very fearful. Sometimes they need to have choice," Heeren-Graber said.
Kathi Di Nicola, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Greater Iowa in Sioux City, said her clinic already serves some South Dakotans and is ready to assist others if needed. The Planned Parenthood clinic in South Dakota has performed about 800 abortions a year.
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The best part about this law is that (if allowed to stand)when a daddy rapes his daughter and she conceives, she will be FORCED to have the baby, and the daddy can sue forfull parental visitationrights to the child - even if he is in jail for rape.
The problem is NOT that the child should live, is it ? The problem is some other laws that would give that criminal a "right" that he shouldn't have.
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Rapists will finanlly be able to watch their children grow up -- like they did in the good ol' days...
Many rape and incest people are alive today - do you think they shouldn' be ?
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Yes,,,, this is a good, old fashioned, common sense law........I'm sure it will pass the SC muster. I mean, who WOULDN"T want the victims of rape and incest to bear these children???? -this is nothing butgood, old fashioned, wholesome family values.
(sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......)
Again, why kill an innocent baby ? The damages done (physically and mentally) to a rape victim FROM abortions are much, much difficult than if the woman has the baby - lets talk about that too, shall we ?
RE: perhaps the tides have turned (South Dakota bans abortion)
I guess there should be a law passed that every living person that was born due to rape or incest, or threatened the life of the mother with their birth, should be rounded up an executed. That's just plain common sense, right? After all, it's the babies fault and they should have to pay with their life, right? And it makes much, much more sense to add the trauma of an abortion to a woman that has already been traumatized through rape or incest, right? I mean, their nerves are already shot, why put the pressure of filling out adoption papers on them? It much easier to have themjust sign a death contract for their child, right? It's just a wink and a nod and this whole nasty business of carrying a child in their belly is all over--done, forgotten, poof it's gone.....right?
Why is it so hard to understand that the child is not the guilty party? Why would anyone want to impose capital punishment on the most innocent of all?
Themost wonderful, caring, loving, beautiful person I have ever had the pleasure of knowing is alive today because her un-wed mother decided to have her and put her up for adoption rather than kill her for convenience's sake.
Chad
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Anyone who is rapedand conceives, by incest or other, should have the option of abortion.
How about AFTER the baby is born - should the choice to kill it still apply ? (yes/no)
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Stealthymind/LBR,,, so if your daughter were raped by a family member, say you or your son or your father, you'd MAKE here have the baby? (yes/no)
Absolutely 100% YES she would have the baby. To allow her to go through killing a baby, the emotional scarring that leads women with and the physical trauma to her body ? I would never allow my child to go through that if I could help it.
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If she wanted an abortion, YOU'D STOP her (yes/no)--- or have her tried for murder if she went through with the abortion?(yes/no)
Yes to the first, the second isn't something I control but IF she chose to have an abortion she DID agree to the killing of a child that much is 100% factual
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They are yes - no questions (period)...
The last wasn't - you or I cannot try anyone for murder - its a process of law inforcement, not private citizens.
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When you rape your own daughter and then MAKE her have the baby, then you'll have proved your own point LBR - you support a rediculous, illogical position as usual - all or nothing, black or white ,,, and it will fail again and again..
You brought the whole scenario up, not LBR. You are saying that raped women should be allowed to kill innocent children. Do you think it should be only before birth ? Why or why not allow it AFTER birth ? Same child, came parentage, right ?
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Until you prove your own point as I suggested above, rape victims have the final say on abortions - not men sitting around knowing nothing of what they speak.
Again, please look up and read about what mental and physical tolls women go through that have abortions. They are told its in and out, and the truth is very, very different. Why would you want women to go through such terrible things Ifferd ? You allow a child to be killed AND the women to suffer all her life. Why ?
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Although these are by no means "yes or no" questions, I'll play the game.
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Stealthymind/LBR,,, so if your daughter were raped by a family member, say you or your son or your father, you'd MAKE here have the baby? (yes/no)
Yes
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If she wanted an abortion, YOU'D STOP her (yes/no)--- or have her tried for murder if she went through with the abortion?(yes/no)
Yes and yes.
Now, can you answer the questions, or will you continue to dodge and waffle? Reeks of hypocracy--demand answers, but offer none.
Why is it ok to kill a child in the womb, regardless of the circumstances, but somehow it's different 10 seconds or 10 years after that child is born? Why is it nuts? It's the same child, just as innocent of it's conception as it was when it was in the womb.
Why is killing the innocent child the right thing to do?
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When you rape your own daughter and then MAKE her have the baby, then you'll have proved your own point LBR - you support a rediculous, illogical position as usual - all or nothing, black or white ,,, and it will fail again and again..
And, by using your owntrain of thought,until you are impregnated by rape or incest and have an abortion and/or rape your own daughter and make her have an abortion, then your position is just as illogical and ridiculous as mine, and also hypocritical since you put that restriction upon me, but not yourself. It is black or white--you either kill an innocent, unborn baby or you don't. There's no in-between.
Oh yeah--could you remind ofmy other ridiculous and illogical positions? Since it is "as usual", it should be simple to point out several others.
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Until you prove your own point as I suggested above, rape victims have the final say on abortions - not men sitting around knowing nothing of what they speak.
Ifferd, are you male or female? Have you met your own criteria? If you are not female and been through it yourself, then what gives you any more authority to have an opinion than me? Are you being hypocritical again? I know a lady that was scarred for life due to an abortion, so I am not completley clueless here. How many do youknow that have had abortions who have absolutely no problem with it?
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Not making the sensible exceptions will doom this bill to failure - period!
That's where the rub comes in--just who has the authority to deem what is "sensible"? Personally, I think murdering an innocent due to anothers crime or mistake is completely senseless.
Chad
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The last four letters in American..........I Can
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perhaps the tides have turned (South Dakota bans abortion)
