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Old 02-23-2006, 12:34 AM   #1
 
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Default Situation in Iraq Is Civil War



According to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, Second Edition, the definition of a civil war is a "war between political factions or regions within the same country." That is exactly what is going on in Iraq, not a global war on terrorism, as the President continues to portray it.
93 percent of those fighting in Iraq are Iraqis. A very small percentage of the fighting is being done by foreign fighters. Our troops are caught in between the fighting. 80 percent of Iraqis want us out of there and 45 percent think it is justified to kill American troops.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-john-murtha/situation-in-iraq-is_b_13706.html

Now, didwe really accomplish anything in Iraq other than destruction and distable that country? It's time to bring our troops home.
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:40 AM   #2
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Well it happened here and we have had a pretty good run since then. One thing that the administration never did say, was that this would be easy.
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There wasn't as many people and the best weapon here was a cannon filled with black powder during our civil war.Besides that,Are we goanna stay there and help fight till we get the government in there that we want?
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Poor weapons? America lost more people in our civil war than any other that we have ever fought. No we won't stay in Iraq that long. Will it succeed or fail? Only time will tell.
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Now, didwe really accomplish anything in Iraq other than destruction and distable that country?
As much as the left loves to harp on it, that isn't the point. What is relevant is what we do to go forward from here.


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It's time to bring our troops home.
Everybody but a handful of wackos want to bring the troops home. The relevant question is how and when.

Murtha is off his rocker with his "strategic redeployment" plan. If one studies his "plan" carefully it amounts to a hasty retreat, provide an opportunity for the enemy to reorganize and re-arm, then we send our troops back in.

The path to withdrawing should be to stabilize thenation(s) as quickly as possible and then pull out.
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Old 02-23-2006, 02:35 PM   #6
 
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Again, look at johnny's source. Murtha. Ha!
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93% Iraqis fighting the US,give me a freakin break. This number is way out of whack. I couldn't tell you how many foreign nationals I detained, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Africa. These made up a lot of our detainies.


And trust me we won't pull out for a long time. Like I've stated before. We may draw down the numbers, which is a bad thing in my eyes, but it will be a long time before we all come home.
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Old 02-25-2006, 09:46 AM   #8
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If one studies his "plan" carefully it amounts to a hasty retreat, provide an opportunity for the enemy to reorganize and re-arm, then we send our troops back in.
I was watching a special the other night on PBS,it showed who we are fighting now basically the same army we were fighting when we went in. The only thing that has changed is the money coming from Al-Queda and now the guys that were,nt Islamic Fundamentalist are turning into them.

The reporter they were following around was the head guy from Time.He's was there before we started the invasion.

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I bhelieve that is the number the DOD uses too.
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Old 02-25-2006, 09:51 AM   #9
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Interesting article from the Chrstian Science Monitor

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

The 'myth' of Iraq's foreign fighters

[/align]Report by US think tank says only '4 to 10' percent of insurgents are foreigners.

[/align]By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

[/align]The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don't come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq "feed the myth" that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.
The CSIS study also disputes media reports that Saudis are the largest group of foreign fighters. CSIS says "Algerians are the largest group (20 percent), followed by Syrians (18 percent), Yemenis (17 percent), Sudanese (15 percent), Egyptians (13 percent), Saudis (12 percent) and those from other states (5 percent)." CSIS gathered the information for its study from intelligence sources in the Gulf region.

[blockquote]The CSIS report says: "The vast majority of Saudi militants who have entered Iraq were not terrorist sympathizers before the war; and were radicalized almost exclusively by the coalition invasion."
The average age of the Saudis was 17-25 and they were generally middle-class with jobs, though they usually had connections with the most prominent conservative tribes. "Most of the Saudi militants were motivated by revulsion at the idea of an Arab land being occupied by a non-Arab country. These feelings are intensified by the images of the occupation they see on television and the Internet ... the catalyst most often cited [in interrogations] is Abu Ghraib, though images from Guantánamo Bay also feed into the pathology."
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The report also gives notes that the Saudi government for spending nearly $1.2 billion over the past two years, and deploying 35,000 troops, in an effort to secure its border with Iraq. The major problem remains the border with Syria, which lacks the resources of the Saudis to create a similar barrier on its border.
The Associated Press reports that CSIS believes most of the insurgents are not "Saddam Hussein loyalists" but members of Sunni Arab Iraqi tribes. They do not want to see Mr. Hussein return to power, but they are "wary of a Shiite-led government."

I wonder how many of the smiling faces we see on our TV's are the ones setting IED's and sniping at our troops at night.
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I don't believe it. Granted I'm not denying the Iraqis are fighting, maybe more lately. But 93% is still a joke of a number. Go up into NW Iraq into some of those outposts of towns the Marines have been raided constantly. The majority of those fighters were Syrians. The Marines killed dozens of them a day. Head over to the east around Al Kut. Your going to see an increase in Iranian fighters. I'm sure the numbers of Iraqi fighters have grown lately since dirtbags like Al Sadr keep feeding **** into these peoples heads, and to thinkwe had him in my crosshairs. Gets me mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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