I was wondering why all the bashing on this forum? Maybe we should list everything positive since Bush was president that will be proven over time to have been positive... Then we could do the Clinton adminastration...
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Ok,now for the Clinton adminastration...
I was wondering why all the bashing on this forum? Maybe we should list everything positive since Bush was president that will be proven over time to have been positive... Then we could do the Clinton adminastration...
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Ok,now for the Clinton adminastration...
The best thing I can say about Wya being in office is Kerry ain't. And that s a great thing.
Positives for bush
1. Didn't make a stink over the assult weapons ban. Let us alone.
2. We sure don't look like a push over like we did with Clinton. Turned two countries worlds upside down. They will be writing in history books about the most one sided battle in human history. Went into the war with everyone expecting at least 5000 deaths and came out way below that.
3. Religious right is not losing ground as much as it did with Clinton.
4. NRA is stronger than ever.
5. The economy is at a strong healthy substainable growth. Note the word substainable. (Did you really believe any president could substain 25% at the end of Clinton admin, it would ahve been the first in world history to substain that for too long) Right now its managable and if some stupid idiot woman don't get in office, we might be able to keep it going.
6. When the UN makes a resolution, its refreshing that we would really enforce it.
7. Hollywood actors might have figured out how out of touch they were with the rest of the US, and they should go back to be court jesters of the kingdom entertaining us. I could care less who they marry, or thier political agenda. Just dance for us.
8. Ok'd the Disa project which ensured me years of R&D for the US Goverment in the optics world.
9. The US might have started to understand the Social Sercurity project is a tired old thing that needs some thought how to substain in the future with a growing population.
10. Lastly, out of 4500 people we layed off I still have a job and still have a house and have shown people that hard work pays off.
1. Didn't make a stink over the assult weapons ban. Let us alone.
It didn't matter - he didn't have anything to do with this ban not being renewed.
2. We sure don't look like a push over like we did with Clinton. Turned two countries worlds upside down. They will be writing in history books about the most one sided battle in human history. Went into the war with everyone expecting at least 5000 deaths and came out way below that.
You understand that we've now lost about 2,500 and had more than 16,000 serious wounds, including more than 1000 amputees, right? I'd call that pretty significant. "Well, at least we didn't lose 5000" isn't much of a highlight (especially when you consider we're not done yet, and the number of dead soldiers has been getting higher, not lower).
3. Religious right is not losing ground as much as it did with Clinton.
And there's nothing better than blurring the line separating church and state. I don't give a **** about the religious right and whether they lose groundor not.
4. NRA is stronger than ever.
If by "stronger than ever" you mean "down in membership and looked at as an organization of fools by pretty much everyone not in the NRA" then, yes, it is stronger than ever.
5. The economy is at a strong healthy substainable growth. Note the word substainable. (Did you really believe any president could substain 25% at the end of Clinton admin, it would ahve been the first in world history to substain that for too long) Right now its managable and if some stupid idiot woman don't get in office, we might be able to keep it going.
You're complaining that the economy was too good under Clinton? Interesting take on that. We won't even get into the misogynistic statement about an "idiot woman" because a) I doubt you'd be able to understand the word "misogynistic" and b) you're probably like most people on this board and so scared of Hillary that you can't discuss her rationally.
6. When the UN makes a resolution, its refreshing that we would really enforce it.
Like when the UN didn't back us to go into Iraq and told us not to go?
7. Hollywood actors might have figured out how out of touch they were with the rest of the US, and they should go back to be court jesters of the kingdom entertaining us. I could care less who they marry, or thier political agenda. Just dance for us.
This is exactly the way I feel about the religious right and Hollywood actors. Dance for me you stupid monkeys!
8. Ok'd the Disa project which ensured me years of R&D for the US Goverment in the optics world.
Hell, as long as your happy, **** everyone else.
9. The US might have started to understand the Social Sercurity project is a tired old thing that needs some thought how to substain in the future with a growing population.
I don't even understand what you are getting at here - Bush couldn't get his SS reform through a REpublican congress - how stupid does your plan have to be for your own party to reject it?
10. Lastly, out of 4500 people we layed off I still have a job and still have a house and have shown people that hard work pays off.
Once again we see that it's all about you and **** everyone else. Of course, we won't even get into the idea that all of the other 4500 people laid off were lazy dirtbags and you are apparently the only person working hard in the entire company? Right. What a bunch of self-aggrandizing pompous bull****. This has to be the most worthless post I"™ve responded to this week (and that"™s saying a lot).
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sorry strange, its not up for debate for me. Maybe you can find a few people that would like to argue with you somewhere else. Go to Accuratereloading.com man you will have a field day filling your day arguing. But I highlyrecommend you put the positives or don't post at all.
Strange I got to ask, why the attack? I wasn't posting to you. And don't know you. Why so rude with me?
sorry strange, its not up for debate for me. Maybe you can find a few people that would like to argue with you somewhere else. Go to Accuratereloading.com man you will have a field day filling your day arguing. But I highlyrecommend you put the positives or don't post at all.
Strange I got to ask, why the attack? I wasn't posting to you. And don't know you. Why so rude with me?
First, I don't think I made an attack on you so much as I pointed out some flaws in your logic. Which is what goes on in this forum - well, ideally that is what goes on in this forum. This is a forum dedicated to discussing politics with the discussions taking place between people who have a like interest (hunting). I don't feel like I need to post only positives about Bush, particularly since there are almost no positives (the onlytwo I can think of are the adoption tax credit he pushed for and got and the guest worker visa program which has been laughed at by the rest of his party). Other than that I think the man has set us back centuries in foreign relations, curtailed civil liberties like no other president before and just generally been holding himself above the American people for six years - I don't feel the need to say anything positive about him at all.
As far as this being an attack on you, it isn't (if you want to see what an attack on someone looks like, watch for any Red Allison posts that follow my posts and watch him call me a pinko fag, etc - but I don't let it get to me. That is usually just a sign that he is admitting defeat in a particular argument). You are posting in a political forum and I was posting counter points to your statements. You don't have to continue the debate if you don't want to, but it's not out of bounds for someone to post a rebuttal to anything you - or I - want to post here.
Finally, I think you are sowrong and misguided in some of your points that it actually makes me angry. That old line of crap about how good old fashioned hard work will always make sure you get ahead pisses me off every time I hear it. Does it take hard work to succeed in any given field? Absolutely. Is that enough? Not even close. You need luck and good breaks, too. Like, the luck to not have your bosses screw you out of your pension after 30 years. Or the luck not to be one of th 4500 laid off workers. Things like that.
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I'm not exactly a staunch Bush supporter, but I think that it is narrow-minded to paint him as doing nothing positive. I would at least give him an E for effort in the following areas:
Appointing qualified minorities to key government positions
Education reform
Tort reform
Social Security reform
Fighting AIDS globally
Taking down the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in a matter of weeks, an area that both the British and Russianshad failed toconquer.
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EDucation reform? You mean the No Child Left Behind act which is turning out to just mean EVERY child left behind and is not supported by a single teacher I know (And I know a lot of them)?
Tort reform? First of all, not even getting into the fact that "tort reform" is code for "letting big businesses go back to hurting people with having to take responsibility," what has Bush done on that front? I wasn't aware that any legislation had been pushed through by the WH.
SS reform? Again - this was defeated by his own party. Hardly a positive.
Fighting AID globally? Are you ****ing kidding? This administration took away funding for any clinic in Africa that provides condoms. How in the holy **** are you going to say they are fighting AIDs globally? They couldn't be worse for the spread of AIDs unless they were injecting HIV infected blood directly into the veins of Africans.
Took down the Taliban in weeks? You know there were more US soldier's deaths in Afghanistan last year than the year before, right? The Taliban has been removed from power, but they are hardly defeated. Not to mention that fact that we went in so light that we let Osama get away when we knew where he was - the administration completely underestimated the power they would need, despite pretty much everyone in the world telling Rumsfeld we needed more men on the ground.
As for appointing minorities, I'll give you that he mantained the status quo on that, but he didn't have much choice after CLinton - he couldn't very well go back to all white men for his cabinet. Although he does seem to feel that is ok for SCOTUS.
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