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Old 02-05-2006, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default Hard Core Repubs, what don't you like GW

I was thinking I write all the time I see both sides. I consider myself hardcore conservative. But a few things about GW I haven't been happy with.

1. Illegal Aliens and the borders. Man, he has ropadoped that one. Its ticked me off. Send em back. There's laws in place. Enforce them. Here in MD in Montgomery county, they have publiced stated they will turn thier head. Thats crap.
2. Patiot act. You know privacy is what separates us from the EU. I don't like his stance. Freedom comes at a price. I would rather have 10 9/11's than to have us become a police state being monitored 24/7. I go to the UK alot and have came to the conclution, there never were free.
3. That Gonzolas kid in Fl should have been sent back. Without any pressure from the admin.
4. Terry Chivo, should have never interferred. It should have strickly been decided locally and by the laws on hand.

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1. Sure doesn't give our country the appearance of a pushover anymore. That was a hard appearance to get over from the Clinton admin.
2. Hasn't messed with our guns.
3. Hasn't messed with our hunting.
4.I like his stance with the prot. churchs.
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Old 02-05-2006, 11:02 PM   #2
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That he's almost done with his 2nd term.
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We don't use children.How are we to know we didn't send Jesus out of this country.The religous people,the jews turned their backs on jesus.They are looking for him to come back.God is the only one who we need to answer to.I believe in higher power to continue and fight.This is my belief when I die,eternal life.Jesus is our brother.The son of God we was told from the bible.What we did was correct to send him back.God will judge us for our actions.
There is a few things I don't understand though.Why was I made of flesh and not stone?
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:27 AM   #4
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Bigcountry:

I USED to consider myself a "hardcore Republican" but not anymore.

In my opinion you left off one of the biggest problems with not only this president but with the Republican Party. The out of control spending. We have an $8 trillion debt and it's growing by the second. With control of Congress and the White House, the party should have been able to make real impact on the DEBT, not just the deficit.

We should have been drilling in ANWR four years ago. We should be well into some real SS reform. The tax cuts should already be permanent. etc etc etc

I'd would NEVER vote for a Democrat though "” not even for dog-catcher. The election of Democrats no matter how far from the national scene they are elevates the stature of the likes of Kennedy, Gore, Kerry, Daschle, etc. IMHO.

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3. That Gonzolas kid in Fl should have been sent back.Â* Without any pressure from the admin.
Are you talking about Elian Gonzalez? This president had nothing to do with that. That was Clinton/Reno. And I thought it was a national disgrace that he was taken a gunpoint and sent back.

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We don't use children.How are we to know we didn't send Jesus out of this country.The religous people,the jews turned their backs on jesus.They are looking for him to come back.God is the only one who we need to answer to.I believe in higher power to continue and fight.This is my belief when I die,eternal life.Jesus is our brother.The son of God we was told from the bible.What we did was correct to send him back.God will judge us for our actions.
There is a few things I don't understand though.Why was I made of flesh and not stone?
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Old 02-06-2006, 08:42 AM   #5
 
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I was thinking I write all the time I see both sides. I consider myself hardcore conservative. But a few things about GW I haven't been happy with.
I too consider myself a staunch conservative, although not a hardcore Republican by any means these days.

I'll add a few gripes of my own.
[ul][*]Nomination of Harriet Meirs for the SC. That was the political equivalent offirst and goal on the opponent's one yard line and the coach calling for a punt. Conservatives had been waiting decades to get the liberal majority off the Court and Bush nominates a wishy-washy conservative (a registered Dem and contributor to Clinton's campaign) of questionable ability to serve as an intellectual leader for strict-constructionism on the court.[*]Post-Katrina response in New Orleans, and I don't mean the first three days. It seemed like immediately after Kanye West's comments the administration started throwing money at NO with reckless abandon in an effort to buy off angry voters and impulsively making grandiose promises with multi-hundred billion dollar price tags. I realize that there was a lot of suffering going on post Katrina,and this will bea very unpopular viewpoint. However, the concept of the federal government essentially taking over astate is antithetical towhat I believe is the appropriate role of federalgovernment. Stateand local government should have been driving theprocess with assistance from the federal government and private charities and individuals.[*]Medicare Part D -as ifour federal government wasn't already fiscally irresponsible enough, we really needed another giant entitlement program to completely break the bank in coming years.[/ul]
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We don't use children.How are we to know we didn't send Jesus out of this country.The religous people,the jews turned their backs on jesus.They are looking for him to come back.God is the only one who we need to answer to.I believe in higher power to continue and fight.This is my belief when I die,eternal life.Jesus is our brother.The son of God we was told from the bible.What we did was correct to send him back.God will judge us for our actions.
There is a few things I don't understand though.Why was I made of flesh and not stone?
JBG, that makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:06 AM   #8
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Oops, did i mess up the Elian thing? I thought sure he had a dog in that fight? I thought he publically came on and denounced sending the kid back. I say send him back.

But you guys have hit on alot of good points. Well everyone but one. But I could never be totally happy with any president. He just pretty well hits on the high points I am interested in.


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Nomination of Harriet Meirs for the SC. That was the political equivalent offirst and goal on the opponent's one yard line and the coach calling for a punt. Conservatives had been waiting decades to get the liberal majority off the Court and Bush nominates a wishy-washy conservative (a registered Dem and contributor to Clinton's campaign) of questionable ability to serve as an intellectual leader for strict-constructionism on the court.
Here's my half-witted,not fully hashed outtheory on this. Bush wanted to nominate a conservative. He didn't want to cow-tow to the Dem's demands to replace a moderate with a moderate (or whatever terminology they used). Putting forth Alito's nomination would have met a flood of resistance from Dems of course,but alsofrom spineless Rep's who would have jumped sides due to political pressure and the perceived "far right wingedness."

So, Bush feinted. Her put out a jab with Meyers. It rallied the Rep base, and caused the moderate (spineless) Reps to put up some defenses. They didn't want to back Meyers and deal with the backlash that seemed emminent from the party. So as scripted, Meyers stepped down, and Alito came in seeming not like a far right conservative, but rather the easiest nominee for the Reps to get on board with and support.
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So, Bush feinted. Her put out a jab with Meyers.
In my utter disbelief in the first daysfollowing the Meyers nomination, I had wondered about this "head fake" possibilityas well. If it were truly never a serious nomination, it was an awfully convincing "head fake".

Still, in the political context of the Meirs nomination, I think it was more likely a nomination out of perceived political weakness (in the immediate aftermath of Katrina and the Michael Brown fiasco). The vibe I got was that Bush was putting up a nominee in the model of Souter (conservative turned liberal - just what the left was hoping for) but who would wasstealthily pro-life. No a good trade off in my mind at all. As you point out, fortunately the dismay at the Meirs nomination got conservatives behind a stronger nominee.
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