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Old 01-29-2006, 07:14 AM   #1
 
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officials of lying about 9/11
By Elaine Jarvik
Deseret Morning News [/align] Last fall, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now, along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," he's upping the ante.
"We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad."
Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others.
They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html[/align][/align]The news stationswon't pick it up because they belong to the corporations, and Rove will promptly swiftboat them. Those with half a brain sniff the rat.Not that we will ever get to the bottom of it all as thegovenrmentgot rid ofmost evidence in a murder case of 3000.
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Old 01-29-2006, 07:25 AM   #2
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I am deleting my statement, it was cruel and ugly, forgive me JohnnyB.
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Old 01-29-2006, 08:28 AM   #4
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Oh, so the Administration paid the hijackers' families, PLUS they each get the 70 virgins, or are they denying that planes hit the buildings at all? Maybe it was a digitally faked video showing the planes hit,part of the Grand Conspiracy?
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This story is alll but BS and is DOA. The Brigham Young University physics professor Steven E. Jones has been totally discredited on this theory of "pre-positioned" expolsives is garbage. His "analysis" was we can't bring buildings down that fast with normal implosion so it had to be a "consipirisy". Not good enough, the amount of explosives needed to implode a building is quite small and not only does the explosives have to be set, the building has to be mechanically "weakened". I am absolutely sure some would have felt or heard construction crews (that is what it would have taken) using jackhammers to weaken World Trade 1, 2 3, and 7.

These buildings (1 and 2) were designed for a plane strike, but not an intentional high speed collision, That is a lot of enregy and multitudes more explosive energy and kenitic energy transferred to the structures and orders of magnitude of energy or the mechanical weakening and explosives set in a implosion demo.

Oh, he is getting a philosopher to help him with this "theory". That is like the ID/Creo/IC crowd using engineers and matheticiansto argue against biologists with evolution. Doesn't cut the mustard with that ides.

If this guy was serious, he would be using the architects, engineers, and physicists and NOT philosiphers. GEEESH!!

Get your news from a reputable source, not one that leans left or right. There are plenty of blogs out there. THis Joes is exaclty like Dembski, loosers in their career choice who are seeing their life pass them by.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:23 PM   #7
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This page has awhole lot of video from fire fighters and regular folks saying they heard other explosions even in the lobby and a couple reports of a van that also blew up.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html

Some more info.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

Eyewitnesses Recalled Explosions, No Alarms or Sprinklers
The collapses of the Twin Towers were witnessed firsthand by scores of people, most of them emergency responders. The majority of those accounts have been suppressed by the state for years. In August of 2005, the New York Times published the single largest and most authoritative body of eyewitness evidence yet assembled, as a result of winning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit 3[/color]4
Accounts Earlier Made Public
Prior to the release of the oral histories, eyewitness reports of with descriptions of the World Trade Center building collapses came from a variety of diverse sources, such as mainstream media, documentaries, and the Web.
Louie Cacchioli, was one of the first firefighters to enter the South Tower as it burned. A 20-year veteran of the fire department, Cacchioli told People Weekly: [size=-1]1112




I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building.
Eyewitness Jeff Birnbaum, president of Broadway Electrical Supply Co., New York, recalled events in the South Tower:




When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go. There was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down. 1718
Eyewitness Neil deGrasse Tyson recounted his recollection of explosions at the onset of the collapses in an e-mail he sent to his family on the day after the attack:




I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion. 23
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As I dress for survival: boots, flashlight, wet towels, swimming goggles, bicycle helmet, gloves, I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1, the first of the two towers to have been hit. I saw the iconic antenna on this building descend straight down in an implosion twinning the first.
The video 9/11, The Greatest Lie Ever Sold contains several excerpts of video reports in which witnesses describe what they saw and heard. In the first, a reporter gives the following account:




The chief of safety of the fire department of New York City told me he recieved word of the possibility of a secondary device: that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said that there was another explosion which took place and according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted within the building.
The second excerpt records the impressions of an amerature videographer




45 minutes into the taping that we were doing there was an explosion -- it was way up where the fire was -- and the whole building at that point bellyed out, in flames, and everybody ran.
The third excerpt, a man in talk-show format panel states:




I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions -- three thuds -- and turned around to see the building we just got out of tend to tip over and fold in on itself.
The final clip shows a man in a hospital bed, with a video banner reading "AMERICA RESPONDS". He states:




and all of a suddend it sounded like gunfire -- you know, bang bang bang bang bang -- then all of a sudden three big explosions.
Neil deGrasse Tyson provided a graphic description of the South Tower collapase in an e-mail sent to his family and friends on 9/12/01.
John Bussey, foreign editor for the Wall Street Journal described the collapse of the South Tower thusly:




I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, “My God, they’re going to bring the building down.” And they, whoever they are, had set charges. In fact the building was imploding down. I saw the explosions, and I thought, ‘This is not a good place to be, because we’re too close to the building, and it’s too easy for the building to topple over.’ 3132
Firefighter Videos
Other accounts are in the form of video records. One is of firefighters recalling detonations in the South Tower, in a firehouse discussion:




fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'
fireman3: Just ran up west street.
fireman1: Then you just sort of ... this cloud of s___
just chasin' you down
fireman4: Where did you go?
fireman3: Just ran up west street.
fireman2: You couldn't outrun it.
fireman1: You couldn't outrun it.
fireman4: So what did you do?
fireman2: I jumped behind a battalion car,
I hid under the car, I was waitin' to die.

In another video, a worker at Ground Zero describes what was found in the rubble in the way of objects other than the Towers' steel.




You have two 110 story office buildings.
You don't find a desk.
You don't find a chair.
You don't find a telephone, a computer.
The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of a keypad,
and it was about this big:
(makes a shape with his hand about 4 inches in diameter)
The building collapsed to dust.

Other Eyewitness Reports
The following eyewitness compared the scene to a Hollywood disaster movie, as did many other people.





When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go. There was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down.
I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, "What the F_____?" I honestly thought it was Hollywood. 41
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:59 PM   #8
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Break out the tinfoil hats ...

BTW , it's not the least bit unusual to hear loud bangs when a structure is collapsing. I work in a factory where steel gets bent forunderground support systems, sometimes when those I-beams give suddenly you'll hear a loud bang as a flange separates from the web.
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bashing rules or not......Deleted by CalHunter...

Lemme let you in on ANOTHER secret there Columbo, JFK was assassinated by MORE than ...Deleted by CalHunter... Oswald. The moonshots WERE real and both the spaceshuttle accidents were just that, accidents.

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These are clearly LEFTY websites and are decidedly NOT news, nor is it "investigation". If is just bash Bush BS.

I swear between the loons on the left and the pious loons on the right, I am surely going to go out of my mind.

Again, this BS is just as manufactured and misrepresented from the left as the ID/ewvolution "debate" BS is on the Right.

The real problem in our country is these 2 parties that run to the ding dong extremes to "nominate" and run to the center to get elected.

The jig is up, we got it figured out. IMO, the majority ofAmerica is not that far left as CharlieP AlaskaMag, nor are they as far right as TheRev, or DaveH. Most folks are in the middle. And yes there are WMD from Iraq in Syria.

We need to protect the borders, and know that these guys that run planes into buildings need to be killed because we cannot reason with them or call a truce.

So now can we give up the "energise the base" issues and get to problem solving, and quite falling for "propaganda" from the right or left and let's get the truth out.

GEEZ!

For chrimney sake!!

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