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Old 01-23-2006, 06:48 AM   #1
 
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:00 PM   #3
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LOL. Thanks, for posting the heads up and caring. I've called them already even though they aren't in my district. All of the reps in my district are either sponsors or cosponsors of the original bills.


Van Akkeren is trying to stay low key right now and won't take a definate position. I have a feeling that he will stay onboard to override the veto. In his district, there are a few thousand members of rod and gun, rifle and pistol, and conservation clubs that as a whole are organized into one lobbying body. They were enough to make a difference in the last election to remove a long time state senator who didn't toe the pro-gun line quite enthusiastically enough in the last election.

There are thoughts that Van Akkeren might be holding out for perks or cherry positions promised by the governor, but this has to weighed against the fact that a high ranking official in Gov Doyle's administration was just indicted today for rigging state contracts because of campaign contributions to Doyle. This is probably going to stick as the federal prosecutor in the case is a very methodical and thorough one, and its probably going to damage Doyle greatly.
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:59 AM   #5
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Its a start! I hope it works out!


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Old 01-26-2006, 05:49 PM   #6
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Senate voted in favor of the veto override today, but that was pretty much a given. Assembly votes next week.

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Old 01-26-2006, 07:04 PM   #7
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I love our conceal and carry law in Texas... I can be found driving with aglockstrapped to my ankle, a shot gun under the backseat of my pickup, and a bow on the back seat, and that's just going to church.( aw glory)
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Old 01-28-2006, 06:19 AM   #8
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Default RE: Wisconsinites, Heads Up on Concealed Carry!! Contact Your Reps.!

We need every person we can get. The vote in the assembly is scheduled for Tuesday. The last I heard, there where at least two(2) democrats that were considering changing their vote.

I would like this to pass, but I just don't see it in such a liberal state. It also doesn't help that there are actually "gun owner" organizations that are against this bill. There are those that have an "all or nothing" attitude and want this to fail because they believe it is too restrictive.

"Gun groups against this law," what's up with that?
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:53 AM   #9
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Dear fellow gun owner:

The time for reckoning is at hand. The Wisconsin state Assembly will vote on
Governor Doyle's veto of the Personal Protection Act concealed carry bill
(SB403) on Tuesday, January 31.

Our victory--or our defeat, if you allow it--will be decided on that day.

We've come a long way since 1992, when Representative Gunderson's bill was
just that: a bill, but a bill with no sponsors, or even committee votes.

In 2004, we lost the veto override by just one vote, when a former sponsor
and supporter of the bill gave his allegiance to Governor Doyle, rather than
to his constituents.

This Tuesday is the best chance we've ever had to finally give Wisconsin
citizens the right to CHOOSE whether they would like to have a means for
self defense.

Nobody is telling people that they have to get a concealed carry permit just
to buy a gun. Contrary to what you may have heard from certain
self-interested groups in Wisconsin, this bill does not require a registry
of gun owners, fingerprinting, or any other hyped-up claims.

This bill is simply about giving you, your family members, or your friends,
the ability to legally carry a weapon for self defense against violent
criminals. Since 1873, Wisconsin citizens have been denied that right. 46
states now recognize that right. In just a matter of weeks, Nebraska will
likely become the 47th state to recognize the right of citizens to carry
weapons for self defense.

Opponents of our bill, including Governor Doyle, argue that Wisconsin
doesn't need this law, because we have a relatively low crime rate. Tell
that to any of the roughly 12,000 Wisconsin citizens who are the victims of
murder, attempted murder, rape, assault, armed robbery, and other violent
crimes every year. Many of those victims are now among the voices calling
for passage of this bill.

Governor Doyle doesn't have to worry about carrying a concealed handgun,
knife, or other means of self defense. He's constantly surrounded by some
three dozen armed bodyguards. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, another critic of
this bill, has an entourage of bodyguards who have fully-automatic M16
rifles at hand.

The political elite see no need for this bill, because they have hired
people to do the "dirty work" for them, if necessary.

Similarly, there are some in the gun community who don't see a need for this
bill because they don't think it will affect them. Some think that they live
in communities where violent crime is rare.

Perhaps.

Until it happens to you.

And it can happen anywhere.

Even if you've never been affected by violent crime, don't you think you owe
it to your fellow citizens who've been victims to give them the
right--again, the right to CHOOSE--whether or not they would go through
training and licensing in order to legally have a means to self defense?

In the past, when gun owners have hung together, we've made enormous
strides: the Right to Keep and Bear Arms amendment, the pre-emption law that
struck down Madison's handgun ban, the Right to Hunt, Fish, and Trap
amendment, the Range Protection Act, and more.

Make no mistake: the fight on Tuesday will not be about the merits of the
Personal Protection Act. The arguments have been heard, and the various
sides have taken their positions.

The fight on Tuesday will be purely political. It will pit the gun owners of
Wisconsin against the anti-gun forces, led in full force by Governor Doyle's
lobbyists, a governor whose 12-year record as Attorney General should leave
no doubt that he is a dyed-in-the-wool True Believer in gun bans.

In 2001, then-Attorney General Jim Doyle suggested a piece of legislation
that would have banned all ammunition except that designed for single-shot
firearms. The author of the bill, former state Senator Jim Baumgart
(D-Sheboygan), suffered a crushing election defeat because he authored the
bill.

Perhaps Jim Baumgart might have some advice for Sheboygan Representative
Terry Van Akkeren, who has voted for the Personal Protection Act three
times, including a veto override vote in 2004, but is now waffling on his
stance.

The same advice should be given to Representative John Steinbrink of
southeastern Kenosha county. Representative Steinbrink has now voted for the
Personal Protection Act four times, including a vote to override Doyle's
veto in 2004.

Governor Doyle is now reeling from secret grand jury investigations into his
fund-raising scandals by the US Attorney's office. That's why he's been over
in Iraq this week, as far as he can get from the WI news media.

Your message should be loud and clear to those who would think about
crossing Wisconsin gun owners: hitch your star to Doyle, and you will be
defeated in the November elections.

Next Tuesday, we need the largest turnout of gun owners that the state
Capitol has ever seen. We need to demonstrate the overwhelming power that
gun owners wield in this state. Time and again, we've proven that nothing
happens in the legislature unless gun owners approve.

It's time for you to show your power again.

Please make every effort possible to be at the Capitol on Tuesday by about
11 am. When you arrive, stop by Senator Dave Zien's office (Room 15 South)
for some PPA supporter stickers. (He'll also have some of the best venison
sausage and buffalo jerky you've ever tasted. Also, if you have some old
brass you don't plan on reloading, Senator Zien would appreciate it if you
brought it along. He's looking to pave his driveway with brass cases. Is
this guy a gunner or not?).

In the meantime, please continue to contact Representatives Terry Van
Akkeren and John Steinbrink. Their contact information is:

Representative John Steinbrink (608)266-0455
rep.steinbrink@legis.state.wi.us

Representative Terry Van Akkeren (608)266-0656
rep.vanakkeren@legis.state.wi.us

Representative Gunderson, Senator Zien, the NRA, the WI Pro-Gun Movement,
Sporting Heritage Inc, the Wisconsin Rifle and Pistol Association, the WCCA,
and other groups have done all that we can to bring us to this point.

Our victory or defeat now depends solely upon you and your friends, and your
committment to making Wisconsin a "Free State."

With your help, we can win. It's that simple.

Thanks,
The Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association


P.S. Please forward this email to very friend of freedmom that you know.






I figured I might as well pass on the email I got from Wisconsin CC Association



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